Liverpool thread

[Matty]

Liverpool still are a huge club, recognised the world over, with a rich history and global fanbase. Then again, so are celtic. Both have replaced world class players with mediocrity.
I really can't understand why they went for Rodgers. They should have learnt their lesson from giving Hodgson the gig. How can you go from mascerano, alonso and Gerrard to what is there now? I don't think the fall from grace will be as dramatic as leeds or blackburns though. They need to address it quickly though. Even a genius of a manager would need a few years to turn them into contenders again unless they were given unlimited funds to be able to write off the fees or contracts of those in place and recruit quality.

Liverpool won't go the way of Leeds or Blackburn as they've got a huge global fanbase and, therefore, the ability to generate sizeable sums of money themselves. Leeds spent money they didn't have, and were never going to have unless they achieved hugely on the pitch, whereas Blackburn had a wealthy owner (at the time) but were never of a big enough size to develop after their success in the way City have developed. Their fanbase is pretty tiny, and their stadium isn't really big enough either. Liverpool will, unless something completely unexpected occurs, always be a Premier League side, they generate too much revenue to be anything else. However, with City, United, Chelsea, Spurs and Arsenal also generating sizeable revenue Liverpool can no longer guarantee themselves a place in the Top 4. They need to spend big in order to breach the top 4 consistently. The 2013/14 season, whilst exciting for them at the time, was probably one of the worst things to happen to them. It convinced the owners that they could succeed with Rodgers, and without spending huge sums. They can't, and the owners still don't realise it.

 

[The Stockport Iniesta]

Some of them are claiming that they'll get 4th at our expense

lol

I watched the last two motd's of from last season the other night, Palace destroyed them at anfield, was only 3-1 but it could easily have been 5 or 6 palace were that dominant, and we all know what happened at Stoke. :) They have no fucking chance of finishing above City, and it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't finish top 6.

 

[yeah whatever !!]

Just read the last few pages of their City thread. There's 1/2 reasonable posters that can see things from an unbiased perspective and doesn't buy into the media lies and myths such as us ruining English talent but the rest of them i would of sworn were United fans if i didn't know otherwise. The few that constantly bring up the "City are not a big club" line are especially obsessed and jealous.

We get it, Liverpool have a bigger fanbase than City. I don't think there's a single City fan in the world that wouldn't admit Liverpool have more fans worldwide than City. But so what? What exactly does that achieve? Why do they think having more fans in a country the players will likely play in once maybe twice in their entire careers matters to the players in any way whatsoever? In terms of having more fans, yes Liverpool are a big club but the importance of that is pretty much non-existent unless you're working in marketing for that particular club. It's hilarious how they try to convince themselves having a bigger worldwide support is more important or more valued that Winning titles every other year.

It's something unique to Liverpool mind, it's something that all teams with a big fanbase that haven't won anything significant recently constantly harp on about as if it's something to be envious of. United fans desperately clung to it when we demolished them and took the league from their cold dead bacon-ridden hands in the last moments of the season.

Do they really believe there's City fans sat there thinking "I wish we had as many fans turn up to a pre season game as Liverpool can attract" I think most City fans would be more bothered about watching the best young player in Europe play for their team instead. The simple fact is, Liverpool are no longer a big club on the pitch, and selling their best player 2 seasons in a row is never going to help them to rectify that regardless of how much they've received for that player or how much they think they've "won" because they received more than their personal valuation of that player.

We'll see who's really "won" when Sterling helps City win multiple trophies over his career whilst Liverpool spend almost their entire cut of the fee on a Belgian donkey that I very much doubt will even fit into their team and will be gone in a season or two for a fraction of the price.

City are a much bigger draw for players than Liverpool are now, it's not even debatable, they need to stop being so jealous and bitter about it and just accept it because no matter what raggish line or story they come up with to try and convince themselves otherwise the only thing that really matters in football is winning. And they're not winning anything anytime soon.

Fanbase numbers are the last bastion of hope for those for whom the realisation has not just set in, it has laid roots and started to sprout.

 

[Wretched Vengeance]

Haha, watch the lad wearing glasses.

 

[FootieFan86]

Liverpool still are a huge club, recognised the world over, with a rich history and global fanbase. Then again, so are celtic. Both have replaced world class players with mediocrity.
I really can't understand why they went for Rodgers. They should have learnt their lesson from giving Hodgson the gig. How can you go from mascerano, alonso and Gerrard to what is there now? I don't think the fall from grace will be as dramatic as leeds or blackburns though. They need to address it quickly though. Even a genius of a manager would need a few years to turn them into contenders again unless they were given unlimited funds to be able to write off the fees or contracts of those in place and recruit quality.

Celtic global fanbase?

Or is that a myth because there is lots of irish around the world.

They never sell out on USA & Australian tours,they tend to play in smaller grounds especially in the USA and Australia.

 

[IrelandSuperman]

Uh oh...



Proper class A twat he is our Brenda.

 

[FootieFan86]

James Milner just scored again..Liverpool look crap tbh..

It's pre season which is about bedding in new players and building fitness,and 4 -5 starters are not even on the tour in Coutinho Can Firmino Sturridge and probably Benteke.

 

[FanchesterCity]

Liverpool won't go the way of Leeds or Blackburn as they've got a huge global fanbase and, therefore, the ability to generate sizeable sums of money themselves. Leeds spent money they didn't have, and were never going to have unless they achieved hugely on the pitch, whereas Blackburn had a wealthy owner (at the time) but were never of a big enough size to develop after their success in the way City have developed. Their fanbase is pretty tiny, and their stadium isn't really big enough either. Liverpool will, unless something completely unexpected occurs, always be a Premier League side, they generate too much revenue to be anything else. However, with City, United, Chelsea, Spurs and Arsenal also generating sizeable revenue Liverpool can no longer guarantee themselves a place in the Top 4. They need to spend big in order to breach the top 4 consistently. The 2013/14 season, whilst exciting for them at the time, was probably one of the worst things to happen to them. It convinced the owners that they could succeed with Rodgers, and without spending huge sums. They can't, and the owners still don't realise it.

I completely disagree, they had a pair of highly questionable owners who almost took them into administration.
You can never say never in sport, and a huge fanbase won't save any club if it's badly administered, or there's a gradual decline in performances.
That's not to say it will happen to Liverpool, nobody knows the future, but you can't say it won't either.
They currently generate impressive revenues, but they are slipping down the revenue tables. Within 10 years they could certainly have similar issues to Villa, and it's not impossible they could go down.

I think FSG fully realise their situation, but who's to say it's not what they want? Why spend 200m on a title 'attempt' (with no guarantees) when you could spend 30m and just enjoy an outside chance of top 4? Even with CL revenues, it's still a tough call to invest lots in the team for the hope of making back 30-40 in CL money.

Look how much it's cost us to win the league. Chances are, it would take any other team a similar amount for similar results, and that's simply not worth it to an investment group like FSG. It makes more sense for them to hope they strike lucky with a good manager and players.

 

[FanchesterCity]

Liverpool still are a huge club, recognised the world over, with a rich history and global fanbase. Then again, so are celtic. Both have replaced world class players with mediocrity.
I really can't understand why they went for Rodgers. They should have learnt their lesson from giving Hodgson the gig. How can you go from mascerano, alonso and Gerrard to what is there now? I don't think the fall from grace will be as dramatic as leeds or blackburns though. They need to address it quickly though. Even a genius of a manager would need a few years to turn them into contenders again unless they were given unlimited funds to be able to write off the fees or contracts of those in place and recruit quality.

Celtic are miles behind Liverpool in global appeal.
Liverpool won a large percentage of a generation from the early 70's the early 90's and that won't go away for a lifetime. United likewise, although they've had at least two bites of the cherry after the Munich disaster resulted in a lot of people following them, and the PL era where they dominated just as TV football went worldwide.
Arsenal, Chelsea, City, all lag miles behind those two - not that it's any real measure of much. Loads of people like General Motors cars, or Madonna - it's not saying much. Spouting about the size of a fanbase is like saying 'My car is the best selling car' or 'My band sold more records' whoopee!

 

[jimharri]

Bless. He's even getting to grips with that legendary scouse sense of humour.