PrestwichPeteMcfc
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Only watched ep1. They skip over the incident of him throwing a cat on a fire like it's just what kids do
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Bigga
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He intimated that he regretted it as it was the family cat.
They're[the Averys] also a family of hunters that mainly live off the land, so an animal death is no big thing, really.
What gets me is that cnut Lenk and how he cropped up during the arrests and imprisonments.
How was it not made more of that the Manitowoc Dept got involved with prejudice?
He can't be set free now cos his lawsuit would bankrupt the county!
And that's what this, essentially, boils down to.
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Do you think the fact that a lot of these people are elected contributes to the problem? I watched West of Memphis yesterday and that was clearly a factor in that gross miscarriage of justice.
There were certain officials who only cared about securing their own reputations rather than getting to the truth, because no small-town sheriff/prosecutor/DA is ever going to get re-elected if they can't nail the killers of 3 young children.
The prosecutor in that case as good as admitted that his main motivation was what the voters thought of him. That can't possibly be a healthy situation for justice to prevail.
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The case is so dodgy. I'll admit now I only watched up to ep 4 and then skipped to the end and watched ep 9 & 10 - so sorry if I've missed out some key info. I've also listened to his excellent defence lawyers give their overall account of the case. No physical evidence bar from the blood stain in the victims car (which they're investigating now apparently to see if it was planted by the police as apparently they already had a sample of Stevens blood) him being a accused of the crime while he was heavily involved in a huge lawsuit which would cause mass embarrassment & cost the authorities tens of millions of dollars in damages, the way the search teams vacated Steven and his wife from the premises and only found the key of the car on the FIFTH search of his home...it really doesn't add up whatsoever.
I'll echo others too the way Brendan was treated with the police feeding him lies, basically persuading him to say what they wanted to hear to get him locked up. One of many things that really turned my stomach which particularly stood out, was when one of the officers said something along the lines of "whatever you tell us we'll let you go home to your family". The lad clearly had/has learning difficulties and they took blatant advantage of that and knew they'd get some sort of psedo-confession out of him without letting him have an attorney present; which again is bent as fuck.
I just hope with the insane amount of exposure this documentary has amassed somebody comes forward with new evidence which will enable a re-trial for the pair of them as this case 100% isn't as black and white as it comes across. Feel so sorry Stevens mother, Dolores most of all, to go through this horrible ordeal twice must have taken its emotional tole on her.
The case is so dodgy. I'll admit now I only watched up to ep 4 and then skipped to the end and watched ep 9 & 10 - so sorry if I've missed out some key info. I've also listened to his excellent defence lawyers give their overall account of the case. No physical evidence bar from the blood stain in the victims car (which they're investigating now apparently to see if it was planted by the police as apparently they already had a sample of Stevens blood) him being a accused of the crime while he was heavily involved in a huge lawsuit which would cause mass embarrassment & cost the authorities tens of millions of dollars in damages, the way the search teams vacated Steven and his wife from the premises and only found the key of the car on the FIFTH search of his home...it really doesn't add up whatsoever.
I'll echo others too the way Brendan was treated with the police feeding him lies, basically persuading him to say what they wanted to hear to get him locked up. One of many things that really turned my stomach which particularly stood out, was when one of the officers said something along the lines of "whatever you tell us we'll let you go home to your family". The lad clearly had/has learning difficulties and they took blatant advantage of that and knew they'd get some sort of psedo-confession out of him without letting him have an attorney present; which again is bent as fuck.
I just hope with the insane amount of exposure this documentary has amassed somebody comes forward with new evidence which will enable a re-trial for the pair of them as this case 100% isn't as black and white as it comes across. Feel so sorry Stevens mother, Dolores most of all, to go through this horrible ordeal twice must have taken its emotional tole on her.
I have to be honest mate, Making a Murderer is one of the best I've seen and the ones I've watched in the past aren't very similar. However, prior to this, the best one I have seen is called 'The Staircase", and is similar in a sense.
Without spoiling it, it follows a case in Canada where there are suspicious circumstances and it's a case of who do you believe. Another brilliantly made documentary series, 8 part series from what I remember. Well worth a watch if you enjoyed Making a Murderer.
Yeah this is what leaves a really bad taste in your mouth about the whole approach of the yank prosecutors in it. It's an attitude of achieve a conviction at all costs, regardless of what the real story is.
Watched it all in the past 24 hours. Had to keep reminding myself to stop enjoying it as it was essentially a snuff movie. These were real people going through mental turture.
I verged on Tears when Brendan or his mother couldn't understand "inconsistent", when he was trying to understand why he'd miss wrestlemania and when he said he was stupid. And the most sickening part of the lot was O'Reilly's emails about the Averys. Poor kid just went to school and is essentially kidnapped and manipulated. Beggars belief that there were no child or mental authorities pulled in - given the consequences.
I could see him doing anything his uncle told him to do ... but the lack of any of his DNA and the nature of his interviews convince me he really had no part in any crime. And if he's innocent then how did the bullet fit in. And if that's not there and with doubt over other pieces it's doubtful that Steven did it either.
I just can't see the sense either in Steve murdering anyone at home. Maybe a crime of passion would make sense. But to not make a better job of ridding yourself of the car of the body just seems completely unbelievable.
As an aside...Someone I know got in trouble as a kid growing up in the U.S. with the local town police and it showed me that once you are known there is no hope. So glad he left the area before it became impossible. What happened to these people could very easily have happened to this kid. There was a vengence and determination amongst the cops that was shocking to any normal person...especially when you are looking in as a foreigner.
I verged on Tears when Brendan or his mother couldn't understand "inconsistent", when he was trying to understand why he'd miss wrestlemania and when he said he was stupid. And the most sickening part of the lot was O'Reilly's emails about the Averys. Poor kid just went to school and is essentially kidnapped and manipulated. Beggars belief that there were no child or mental authorities pulled in - given the consequences.
I could see him doing anything his uncle told him to do ... but the lack of any of his DNA and the nature of his interviews convince me he really had no part in any crime. And if he's innocent then how did the bullet fit in. And if that's not there and with doubt over other pieces it's doubtful that Steven did it either.
I just can't see the sense either in Steve murdering anyone at home. Maybe a crime of passion would make sense. But to not make a better job of ridding yourself of the car of the body just seems completely unbelievable.
As an aside...Someone I know got in trouble as a kid growing up in the U.S. with the local town police and it showed me that once you are known there is no hope. So glad he left the area before it became impossible. What happened to these people could very easily have happened to this kid. There was a vengence and determination amongst the cops that was shocking to any normal person...especially when you are looking in as a foreigner.
That conversation between Brendan and his mother broke my bloody heart. When his mother tells him she doesn't know what the word inconsistent means either; smacked me right in the gut. You've not only got a kid in absolutely no mental state to be dealing with two seasoned investigators on his own (or anyone from the police or prosecution), but you knew his mother couldn't have helped him either. Coming off the back of what a clear complete scumbag his lawyer and his investigator were, he was all alone and worse, wouldn't have understood. I hope for his sake ignorance was bliss, because that sounds fucking terrifying to me.
Just finished the last episode now. Fuming really. Lenk and Coleburn should have long since gone through criminal trials of their own. I could type pages and pages on it but I would likely throw my phone out of the window before I finished. I'd also like to see if there was much the documentary left out, as the missus has already bought up a couple of extra bits that don't sound too good for the defence.
A lot of the focus is obviously on Avery but there was a worse miscarriage of justice for Brendan, especially the state supreme court not even bothering to hear the case despite the actions of his legal team. At the very least he deserves a fair retrial, if you can even get one of those with his past.
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Who was constantly calling her on the phone?
The blood in the boot, says she was in the boot at some point. If she was raped and killed in Stevens house would he have put her back in the car?
After checking the bedroom numerous times, is it possible they constantly overlooked the keys?
Bullet was found in the garage but no traces of the victims blood on all that junk?
Why were other members of the family who lived in close proximity not properly investigated?
Steven Avery was waiting on millions of pounds in compensation, to commit murder whilst going through that process isn't likely to me.
For somebody to attempt to not pay Avery millions of state money is more likely to me.
I believe somebody on the Avery compound killed the woman just not Steven Avery....
The blood in the boot, says she was in the boot at some point. If she was raped and killed in Stevens house would he have put her back in the car?
After checking the bedroom numerous times, is it possible they constantly overlooked the keys?
Bullet was found in the garage but no traces of the victims blood on all that junk?
Why were other members of the family who lived in close proximity not properly investigated?
Steven Avery was waiting on millions of pounds in compensation, to commit murder whilst going through that process isn't likely to me.
For somebody to attempt to not pay Avery millions of state money is more likely to me.
I believe somebody on the Avery compound killed the woman just not Steven Avery....
