Mancini 'arrogant and vain'

[Anonymous]

We are being told the club is feeding journos this information about Mancini being arrogant, hard to work with etc. What else is it then if it is not petty revenge? It's certainly unprofessional in my view and I thought we were bigger than that.

I've just explained why they feel the need to do this - and you've completely ignored it. They're doing it because the world and their mother, and some fucking Blues as well, are going "just like Chelsea - one season without a trophy and he's been sacked - out of order - that's what's wrong with football today - no patience - etc. etc. etc.". When this WASN'T the case.

You did; you said "...filtering out what Mancini was like to work with..." However, I don't feel I've ignored it, I just disagree that it doesn't come across currently as petty revenge.

 

[Anonymous]

My sentiments exactly and this whole sordid episode highlights the fact that there is another aspect of the club that still requires a whacking great upgrade....

Sadly for you Kloss, Marwood, Khaldoun, Txiki, and Ferran are going nowhere. Lets hope the next manager doesn't alienate them all to the point where none of them will go into bat for him.

 

[taconinja]

We are being told the club is feeding journos this information about Mancini being arrogant, hard to work with etc. What else is it then if it is not petty revenge? It's certainly unprofessional in my view and I thought we were bigger than that.

I've just explained why they feel the need to do this - and you've completely ignored it. They're doing it because the world and their mother, and some fucking Blues as well, are going "just like Chelsea - one season without a trophy and he's been sacked - out of order - that's what's wrong with football today - no patience - etc. etc. etc.". When this WASN'T the case.

That won't go quiet because of these stories. What could very well happen is journalists will start going with stories portraying City as cynical, sinister power players unlike that wholesome club down the road in red.

-- Wed May 15, 2013 9:22 am --

Or club maybe made a deal in settlement process with Mancini that it will leak certain info so the image stuff would be kinda even.

You guys think that people who run City are unprofessional and idiots, I don't. I'd rather give them to run my business, then to you.

If you think City put it in writing that they're going to leak stories calling into question Mancini's character, I have no idea how to proceed. You seriously think they're going to have a smoking gun document like that sitting in a hot-headed ex-manager's hands? Seriously?

Mancini's character is barely broken, most of people out of the Bobby's world heard something about it before, he probably already has his new job and what was written in the news will be forgotten in few weeks.

You guys obviously think that Mancini got everything he wanted while City was poor kid out there waiting to be slaughtered. I don't.

If this is going to be forgotten in a few weeks, then it's an exercise in futility keeping it going in the papers. It makes the exercise pointless.

I don't think City is a poor lamb being led to the slaughter. I think they're a corporation just like all the other corporations. They're in it to make money. Corporations make smart moves and corporations make dumb moves. I have no emotional investment in this as it hits an area where I work, so it's more an exercise in analysis for me.<br /><br />-- Wed May 15, 2013 9:22 am --<br /><br />

My sentiments exactly and this whole sordid episode highlights the fact that there is another aspect of the club that still requires a whacking great upgrade....

Sadly for you Kloss, Marwood, Khaldoun, Txiki, and Ferran are going nowhere. Lets hope the next manager doesn't alienate them all to the point where none of them will go into bat for him.

Let's be fair. If things go disastrously next season (I hope not) they could all be out on their collective butts.

 

[BobKowalski]

His bit about the initial Mancini negotiations were City went in confident given they were talking to someone who was out of work and ended with City wondering how Mancini had got pretty much everything he wanted makes City look like rubes. It's no surprise that Mancini built a small Roman empire at City as no one could stand up to him until Ferran walked in with Txiki.

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Now I found this bit fascinating too, and a little strange. These were the days when Cook and Khaldoon were running the show so it's not wholly surprising. But it doesn't put City in a good light at all that he called the shots at a time when he shouldn't be.

What I believe is that Mancini's main ally, and towards the end probably his sole ally, was Khaldoon. And Khaldoon's unwavering, and sometimes irrational, faith in him allowed him to walk all over everyone and everything. I heard a story that when Adebayor was sold, there was an enormous bust up in the dressing room. Adebayor was crying that he hadn't been given a chance and that MAncini was alienating the players. Mancini got his mobile out and said "Tell it to Khaldoon", so ADebayor did, and was obviously told that Mancini's word was law, and Mancini just flounced out smugly. the person who told me the story said that Adebayor got a round of applause from the players after this exchange.

Not a hugely relevant story, and one which may even just be gossip. But it's one of dozens which have never seen the light of day and is indicative of the power Khaldoon gave to Mancini.

This is why I am delighted with the appointment of the Spanish duo. And, regardless of the messy nature of the sacking, if they get the right man in nice and smoothly now, they've delivered where it matters. They've seen through MAncini and got him out. The "way it's been handled", just like with Mark Hughes, in the medium to long term is a red herring.

Ah you see its stories like that about Ade that make me miss Mancini. Ade needed fucking off. Mancini can fuck off as many Ades as he likes. Khaldoon not backing Mancini at that point would have been a disaster and also would have meant no trophies and no title.

And it has nothing to do with Ferran seeing through Mancini. You just couldn't have both trying to run City. For three years City chose Mancini. Now they have chosen Ferran who I suspect will be just as adept at fucking people off as Mancini was. Its an alpha dog thing.

 

[Anonymous]

Of course it's not revenge, it's pure business decision.

It's multihundred million business, they don't give a shit about emotions like crybabies here do.

Absolutely, and more importantly, it's a business decision based on making sure the characteristics which made Mancini totally unsuitable for the job regardless of success on the field are in the public domain. If you love Mancini and are hurt by his sacking, of course you're going to hate the notion that he's being criticised after being sacked. However if you're Abu Dhabi and you've paid the guy probably close to 20 million over three and a half years and are paying him out another ten million just to get rid of him, then you're going to want to make sure that in an audience driven business, your audience knows why the guy's been sacked, after he's spent the last six months playing the downtrodden victim of the nasty business that is football.

And thus, Billy nails it.

Too many people seeing this through the "Cuddly Old Saint Bob" prism.

He's been happy to use the fucking media all year to suit his agenda. And loads of you fell for it hook line and sinker. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

From my viewpoint (dunno about anyone else) this is certainly fuck all to do with saints and prisms. This is all about how the club has hadnled the affair and is behaving now. This is all about the image this portrays to the world, which we are lead to believe is hugely important nowadays. This is all about how we appear in the "football world". I wonder what Pellegrini thinks about it all? Probably doesn't give a fuck and glad of the job, but what if doubts suddenly creep in about the kind of club he is going to? All hypothetical and possibly over thinking things but I just feel by doing all this the club looks small, petty and unprofessional.

 

[Anonymous]

That won't go quiet because of these stories. What could very well happen is journalists will start going with stories portraying City as cynical, sinister power players unlike that wholesome club down the road in red.

Really? Then why have the majority of stories in the last 24 hours been about how he had to go because of his relationships with senior figures at the club and with the players had totally broken down.

This is my point and it's being steadfastly ignored. If City had just sacked him and made no comment beyond the statement on the OS then to any casual football observer it would be seen as a very knee jerk Chelsea'esque decison. It wasn't, City wanted in the public domain why it wasn't, and they're succeeding.

Make no bones about it. City are going to get more favourable press out of this, particularly in the UK, than they will negative press. And more importantly, it's a small news window because as soon as the next guy is confirmed Mancini is consigned to history.

 

[crystal_mais]

Of course it's not revenge, it's pure business decision.

It's multihundred million business, they don't give a shit about emotions like crybabies here do.

Absolutely, and more importantly, it's a business decision based on making sure the characteristics which made Mancini totally unsuitable for the job regardless of success on the field are in the public domain. If you love Mancini and are hurt by his sacking, of course you're going to hate the notion that he's being criticised after being sacked. However if you're Abu Dhabi and you've paid the guy probably close to 20 million over three and a half years and are paying him out another ten million just to get rid of him, then you're going to want to make sure that in an audience driven business, your audience knows why the guy's been sacked, after he's spent the last six months playing the downtrodden victim of the nasty business that is football.

And thus, Billy nails it.

Too many people seeing this through the "Cuddly Old Saint Bob" prism.

He's been happy to use the fucking media all year to suit his agenda. And loads of you fell for it hook line and sinker. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

I've always agreed with you boys around him going. We all know his limitations and his personality issues. I would have still preferred our club to basically say "Look there were issues around behaviour and this did not fit int how we wanted our management to work (yada yada yada) but a a club we fully appreciate the work he has done in bringing the club its first success etc etc etc

The less said is more powerful than what is coming out now. Everybody needs to move on. Mancini has not had his say yet. It can all get a bit messy for the wrong reasons just to satisfy a few egos. At the end of the day he has gone that is a victory for all that had been affected.

It does not shed a good light on the club, then again I'm hoping the owners & the 2 Spaniards are also keeping an eye on the leaks so when the right time comes they may act swiftly there too.

Nobody is coming out of this well, City, The Owners, The Players, The Exec team or Mancini

It's a shame

 

[Balti]

My sentiments exactly and this whole sordid episode highlights the fact that there is another aspect of the club that still requires a whacking great upgrade....

Sadly for you Kloss, Marwood, Khaldoun, Txiki, and Ferran are going nowhere. Lets hope the next manager doesn't alienate them all to the point where none of them will go into bat for him.

not sad for me at all and i certainly wouldn't want to see them all sacked as well as the manager and coaching staff as there'd not be much of MCFC left behind the scenes

but as has been said before the PR side of the club needs a major overhaul imo

and that doesn't just stem from this episode although it certainly hasn't helped

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Ah you see its stories like that about Ade that make me miss Mancini. Ade needed fucking off. Mancini can fuck off as many Ades as he likes. Khaldoon not backing Mancini at that point would have been a disaster and also would have meant no trophies and no title.

And it has nothing to do with Ferran seeing through Mancini. You just couldn't have both trying to run City. For three years City chose Mancini. Now they have chosen Ferran who I suspect will be just as adept at fucking people off as Mancini was. Its an alpha dog thing.

But that's where you again spectacularly miss the point. The point of the story isn't about Ade. The point of the story is about the way he went and the reaction of the other players. These are the turds RM has been depositing on his own doorstep for years and which have finally drowned him. If a player sees his mate treated like that, he thinks "what happens when I'm out of favour?"

And I don't think even you really believe the ridiculous concept that "This town wasn't big enough for both Txiki and Bob". That's what rejected candidates say when they fail interviews. Have you heard and seen nothing over the last few days? Have you not watched our games this season?

He went because he wasn't good enough. Full stop.

 

[taconinja]

Really? Then why have the majority of stories in the last 24 hours been about how he had to go because of his relationships with senior figures at the club and with the players had totally broken down.

That's how news cycles work. You hammer at an angle until people stop buying the papers or clicking on it. Over here in the US, the rancid Fox News organization has been running Benghazi stories non-stop for months. They're the only ones doing so. Most people keep asking why they're still running the stories. Why? Because their audience keeps responding well to those stories. Simple. As long as this generates clicks and sells papers, they'll keep going with it. When it stops, they'll look for the other angle.

This is my point and it's being steadfastly ignored. If City had just sacked him and made no comment beyond the statement on the OS then to any casual football observer it would be seen as a very knee jerk Chelsea'esque decison. It wasn't, City wanted in the public domain why it wasn't, and they're succeeding.

First it's too early to tell. What I think City is doing is biding its time until transfer season. That will distract everyone. Until then, I imagine they hope this will go away, but will manage it as well as possible until that point. Honestly, this entire situation is the club's fault as they mismanaged the initial incident regarding meeting Pellegrini's agent.

Make no bones about it. City are going to get more favourable press out of this, particularly in the UK, than they will negative press. And more importantly, it's a small news window because as soon as the next guy is confirmed Mancini is consigned to history.

Two words.

Mark. Hughes.

Stories about him didn't go away as soon as Mancini came in, did they? Oh and it's not like no matter how many stories regarding his incompetence and mismanagement came out it crafted this image of City as unfortunate victim either.