Mancini (cont)

[Marvin]

No one else has bettered our record in English football over the last 2 seasons

Where were we when Mancini came, and where are we now. Yes he's had the tools, but that doesn't guarantee anything.

I am sure there are other managers who could do likewise, but most people value loyalty and continuity and I don't think we can gamble our future by changing manager in a very vulnerable period for the club. We are yet to break-even, and have yet to build the infrastructure of the club to make us a sustainable top 4 club.

I don't understand why anyone would want to continue this topic given where we are now.

 

[samharris]

the fact is you dont know what the owner thinks,you are assuming his opinion is one way and it may the other.He may be happy at the rate we are progressing.If he is interested in my opinion after 35yrs as a fan i would tell him i approve

Ya don't say? Here I was thinking I had him dialed in perfectly. But you're right, no one knows, which is why we're even having this conversation... because we don't know whether or not Mancini will be here come August.

Honestly, after all this arguing, if Mansour is happy with the progress, then that is great. Not only for the fact that we'd keep Mancini, but the fact that he doesn't much bother with the rate of success.

My only tidbit for you to consider is that they sacked Hughes for stagnating performances and no progress after massive expenditures. We were at a different level at the time, but that was the measure by which they justified sacking him. Yes, he wasn't their man, among other negatives, but that measure is out there nonetheless.

Hughes wasnt their man..already here at the takeover,the fact they went with him speaks volumes.

 

[Dethred]

Bile and insults? FFS, don't you think you're being just a bit precious (especially given you haven't been shy in handing insults yourself).

My original post in that thread was met with nothing but "rag rag rag", and other nonsense. I am having trouble finding when I have done similar without it being a response to the bullshit (and even then, usually in a rhetorical manner to show how stupid the comments were).

As for you question, yes I am satisfied with our progress.

Took over a side in 6th place, and has led us to 5th, 3rd, 1st and probable 2nd place finishes. Certainly matches my expectations from back then. One and maybe two FA Cup wins is just a magical bonus and great achievement as are some of the best performances we've seen (Spurs away, 1-6 etc). We are not the only club to spend money, and over the last two seasons the rags, Chelsea and (I think) Liverpool all have a bigger net spend than ours. I think our signings have generally been good for the money spent.

This year has been a disappointment, more in the manner we've played than the fact that we won't win the title. Champions League has been a disappointment. But for me it's been the first backwards step after 3 years of constant progress. And hopefully it will still be a pretty good backward step.

If he's around next year the pressure will be on. We'll have to put in a good challenge for the league at a minimum, and we'll have to do much better in the champions league. I think we'll do both.

So we're in agreement on about 99% of what you said, (and I've stated this more than I care to count) I just favor bringing in someone new before we do a massive clear out and bring in more players. If Mancini fails to deliver (we both know its certainly possible), then the next manager will either have to spend big again, or be stuck with players that wouldn't be in his squad if he had a choice.

 

[simon23]

In answer to Dethred

Im happy with the progress we have made so far in a number of ways

Mancini took over and firstly made us a better defensive unit....we have had the best defensive record last year and I think its the same this year.....that is progress

We hadnt one anything in X amount of years when RM took over. We have now won in the last 3 years the FA cup, the prem league and the charity shield and now are in another final (not counting my chickens on that one though)...but overall after not winning anything for decades that is huge progress

Yes there has been huge investment BUT it had to be that way. We were so far behind (mid table is a huge gap in quality if not actual league places)...that initial investment has got us qualifying for the champs league ever year (progress again) and competing for the prem league every year. That initial investment was needed to get us to the point where we are now...being successful in our own league/competitions. (remember that also one thing that is regualry used to batter the club with is the amount that we have spent "X millions on the squad".....it isnt Mancini that decides the prices (or even Hughes)...it was Everton that decided 20+ mill for lescott....and various other clubs who have added a "city tax" to the prices of players(pure greed in my opinion)

I wonder who you consider to be a wasted buy by RM......Id say sinclair and garcia are very suspect and I dont rate kolorov but with the rest i think he has ought very well and got value for money with al his purchases...(i may have forgotten one or two though so feel free to pull me up on any and ill tell you whether i agree or disagree)..but anyway 3 out of however many it is a pretty good track record in the transfer market

He has also improved a number of players as individuals...Kompany, Zabba, Richards, Hart, Barry, Tevez, clichy (He was criticised to hell at arsenal) and even lescott have all added to their game and improved (IMHO).

To get to the point where we are going to be (more) successful in the champs league we are going to have to add one or two top quality additions to the squad....this for me is the next step...we have estalished ourselves in the prem league/home cup comps and regualrly do well in them, next step is to get beyond the group stages......this will prve very difficult due to our ranking/coefficient (what ever you call it) and that is why further investment is needed to get a couple of extra additions to get us to that level

 

[moomba]

So we're in agreement on about 99% of what you said, (and I've stated this more than I care to count) I just favor bringing in someone new before we do a massive clear out and bring in more players. If Mancini fails to deliver (we both know its certainly possible), then the next manager will either have to spend big again, or be stuck with players that wouldn't be in his squad if he had a choice.

As I've said I have no problem with anyone that believes that Mancini should go. We all have different opinions as to the best way forward for the club.

If Mancini fails I suspect the new manager will make do with what we've got. Thats the beauty of having Txiki running the show. And while there is a chance that Mancini will fail, theres also a chance that a new appointment will fail.

Chelsea replaced Mourinho with Big Phil Scolari, a world cup winning manager. They then had to replace him six months later as it didn't work out. Anyone who has followed the game for a while will see numerous examples of "grass is greener" type decisions not working out the way they were intended.

 

[Dethred]

Yes, he wasn't their man, among other negatives, but that measure is out there nonetheless.

Hughes wasnt their man..already here at the takeover,the fact they went with him speaks volumes.

Please read it all before you post a reply. I know my posts aren't easy to read, or enjoyable for you, but this is why so many other people in this thread are being ridiculous, because they fail to read everything someone posts.

 

[samharris]

Yes, he wasn't their man, among other negatives, but that measure is out there nonetheless.

Hughes wasnt their man..already here at the takeover,the fact they went with him speaks volumes.

Please read it all before you post a reply. I know my posts aren't easy to read, or enjoyable for you, but this is why so many other people in this thread are being ridiculous, because they fail to read everything someone posts.

you obviously do not read the posts either.. Stony asked you how long you have been a City fan and you have ignored him,so now I will ask this simple question..

how long have you been a City fan ??

be honest.

 

[BlueAnorak]

My only tidbit for you to consider is that they sacked Hughes for stagnating performances and no progress after massive expenditures. We were at a different level at the time, but that was the measure by which they justified sacking him. Yes, he wasn't their man, among other negatives, but that measure is out there nonetheless.

Hughes wasnt their man..already here at the takeover,the fact they went with him speaks volumes.

The fact that they let him have a second season AND were even prepared to let him stay if he came up with a plan to arrest the 10 game slide indicates they only fire as a last resort. They are not Abramovich - though the press would like to think they are.

 

[Dethred]

So we're in agreement on about 99% of what you said, (and I've stated this more than I care to count) I just favor bringing in someone new before we do a massive clear out and bring in more players. If Mancini fails to deliver (we both know its certainly possible), then the next manager will either have to spend big again, or be stuck with players that wouldn't be in his squad if he had a choice.

As I've said I have no problem with anyone that believes that Mancini should go. We all have different opinions as to the best way forward for the club.

Do you understand that I have to repeat myself on here because many don't read the posts of those who are leaning towards replacing Mancini? Its not an "agenda" or, "campaign" (whatever that is), but simply attempting to explain our reasoning when others come in an berate our opinions. If you read through my previous posts (God forbid), you'll see that about half of the posts simply try to clarify that those of us that are open to a replacement don't expect us to win the CL anytime soon, but merely progress/be successful/give it a go. About once a page, someone says something that insinuates that we expect a CL trophy being paraded through the streets by next year, or the following half-dozen.

 

[Dethred]

you obviously do not read the posts either.. Stony asked you how long you have been a City fan and you have ignored him,so now I will ask this simple question..

how long have you been a City fan ??

be honest.

Oh Jesus fucking Christ. What page did he ask that on? FYI, the first FULL city game I watched was after downloading an incredibly shitty recording of the 2002 3-1 Derby on Limewire, which I believe was in early 2003 thinking back to where I lived in College. Prior to that, it was more of a keeping tabs after coming to hate Manchester United (which everyone I knew that followed football suddenly began supporting). I believe it was 2007 when I was able to start downloading their games on a semi-regular basis on Torrents and Newsgroups. Forgive me, though, for my lack of access. To this day I'm limited to what gets posted on Newsgroups, which is only the big matches.

But oh wait, when did I join Bluemoon? Yeah, that's how long mine is. Oh me, yours is longer than mine, I'm a bit blushed.