Mancini out? (merged)

[Pam]

Mancini european record stinks for City.Lets look at the mighty teams that have beaten us in europe Ajax Sporting Lisbon Dynamo Kiev very average teams in europe and we cant beat them.

We beat 2 of those 3 teams.

Yeah but we still lost overall.Lets not forget last year when we couldnt even finish runners up to those giants of Italian giants Napoli in the champions league group.But losing to Sporting Lisbon was the total pi** take on aggregate

Mods, baildon is a bitter rag bastard and its getting embarrassing now and making me cringe.

 

[The Future's Blue]

We beat 2 of those 3 teams.

Yeah but we still lost overall.Lets not forget last year when we couldnt even finish runners up to those giants of Italian giants Napoli in the champions league group.But losing to Sporting Lisbon was the total pi** take on aggregate

Mods, baildon is a bitter rag bastard and its getting embarrassing now.

But he's from Yorkshire.

 

[Yaya_Tony]

I also have reservations about Mancini, but in my mind these are far outweighed by our success so far. Europe isn't a concern for me, yet, although I do expect qualification as minimum next season.

The point I was attempting to make was that we used to discuss (and appoint) new managers all the time in the old days, now, imho, we have a pretty decent one, and his future is still under scrutiny, despite success. It seems to me that it is fallout from growing out of mid-table to champs, that we expect perfection. If perfection isn't achieved, immediate response is to change the boss. And discuss alternatives. This doesn't seem rational to me.

I think that post is a bit contradictory. You can't on the one hand say you expect qualification from our CL group "as a minimum" next season, then in the next paragraph say that people who are discussing his tenure this season are being irrational.

You're closer to my way of thinking than you realise mate.

I don't understand that. I expect qualification from the groups as a minimum, or else after the past 2 seasons pretty much every City fan will be pissed off. That still doesn't mean that my opinion is by default that he should be fired. Quite the opposite. It depends how it happens. I can accept this season in Europe, imho we didn't have that rub of the green you always need in sport, and lost out by fine margins. Not much we can do now about that. Mancini should imho be able to continue work on the house he has built so far (of course with Mansour's backing).

IMHO there is no alternative at the moment (which is why I think discussion of a new manager is irrational), nor would I want one. I'm curious to see how it goes. And fairly positive it won't go badly.

 

[Pam]

Yeah but we still lost overall.Lets not forget last year when we couldnt even finish runners up to those giants of Italian giants Napoli in the champions league group.But losing to Sporting Lisbon was the total pi** take on aggregate

Mods, baildon is a bitter rag bastard and its getting embarrassing now.

But he's from Yorkshire.

I bet you that's a lie. I bet he's a proud Singaporean born and raised. Or a Dubliner.

 

[andyhinch]

Yeah but we still lost overall.Lets not forget last year when we couldnt even finish runners up to those giants of Italian giants Napoli in the champions league group.But losing to Sporting Lisbon was the total pi** take on aggregate

Mods, baildon is a bitter rag bastard and its getting embarrassing now.

But he's from Yorkshire.

Yorkshireist

 

[NoahCity]

European success may not be a priority for some fans... indeed, a lot of City fans I travel to the game with seem to find Champions League almost a chore (why, I don't know. Maybe because we're so rubbish in it). But for the club itself, Financial Fair Play, our brand name, and us becoming a self-sustaining juggernaut European consistency/relative success (quarters/semis/final) is of the upmost importance. I'm a big Mancini fan but it's not dramatic to call him a failure in the Champions League so far. The best he's done in 7 attempts being the quarter finals but the most alarming thing is he's regressed rather than improved in Europe. Chronologically his CL record is: Group stage, quarter final, quarter final, last 16, last 16, group stage, group stage. Take out his first failure with Lazio (understandable) and it's a downward slope I'm afraid.

Well said

same, his European record is a big negative. Domestically he has been good but just seems lost in Europe.

 

[Anonymous]

European success may not be a priority for some fans... indeed, a lot of City fans I travel to the game with seem to find Champions League almost a chore (why, I don't know. Maybe because we're so rubbish in it). But for the club itself, Financial Fair Play, our brand name, and us becoming a self-sustaining juggernaut European consistency/relative success (quarters/semis/final) is of the upmost importance. I'm a big Mancini fan but it's not dramatic to call him a failure in the Champions League so far. The best he's done in 7 attempts being the quarter finals but the most alarming thing is he's regressed rather than improved in Europe. Chronologically his CL record is: Group stage, quarter final, quarter final, last 16, last 16, group stage, group stage. Take out his first failure with Lazio (understandable) and it's a downward slope I'm afraid.

I think he can definitely be classed as a failure in Europe so far. The question is how much time will he get to improve. If we were to go out in next season's group stage again, baring in mind we're back into pot 3 now i believe so we're getting two top teams whether we like it or not, then I think he'd be finished.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

We beat 2 of those 3 teams.

Yeah but we still lost overall.Lets not forget last year when we couldnt even finish runners up to those giants of Italian giants Napoli in the champions league group.But losing to Sporting Lisbon was the total pi** take on aggregate

Mods, baildon is a bitter rag bastard and its getting embarrassing now and making me cringe.

I'm not immune to sniffing these types out, but even by my standards you take this to extremes.

 

[Paulmcfc2703]

European success may not be a priority for some fans... indeed, a lot of City fans I travel to the game with seem to find Champions League almost a chore (why, I don't know. Maybe because we're so rubbish in it). But for the club itself, Financial Fair Play, our brand name, and us becoming a self-sustaining juggernaut European consistency/relative success (quarters/semis/final) is of the upmost importance. I'm a big Mancini fan but it's not dramatic to call him a failure in the Champions League so far. The best he's done in 7 attempts being the quarter finals but the most alarming thing is he's regressed rather than improved in Europe. Chronologically his CL record is: Group stage, quarter final, quarter final, last 16, last 16, group stage, group stage. Take out his first failure with Lazio (understandable) and it's a downward slope I'm afraid.

This is a top post.

However it will be ignored either because some fans believe our European ineptitude should be swept under the carpet or they are too busy living off the title last season they fail to realise the importance of progressing in the CL so we have any chance of meeting FFP.

 

[baildon blue]

Yeah but we still lost overall.Lets not forget last year when we couldnt even finish runners up to those giants of Italian giants Napoli in the champions league group.But losing to Sporting Lisbon was the total pi** take on aggregate

Mods, baildon is a bitter rag bastard and its getting embarrassing now and making me cringe.

I'm not immune to sniffing these types out, but even by my standards you take this to extremes.

The voice of reason