Mancini out? (merged)

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I'm not Mancini fan but definitely don't support players undermining manager. If they done it, they're twats and should be heavily fined.

However, if manager comes to that stage, than he has to go. Manager has to be backed when he has issue with one or two players but when number of team are against him, than replacing him is the easier option.
 
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Hamann Pineapple said:
OB1 said:
Blue2112 said:
We've won the league and followed it up with at least a Champions League placing


Sensible stuff, Professor.

Please point out to me where we have guaranteed a Champions League spot. A little presumptious me thinks if not arrogant.

Ok I wasn't being arrogant but you know what i'm saying. I think if any of us was in a position as a coach or director of football at City and were looking at our potential prospects for next season then I think we would all be doing so as a Champions League side. Not being arrogant but being realistic as to a view for the future. Of course if it turns out not to be the case then we would re-evaluate our sights. I view my own business and future prospects on the positive side not the negative but as I said should there be a downturn I re-evaluate. Fergurson said yesterday on football focus that United would never go five years without a trophy whilst her was at the club. Arrogant or total self belief. He doesn't give a fuck about reputations and he doesn't sit there thinking we might not make Champions League. Its a given as far as he is concerned and that should now be our mindset, of course it can be perceived as arrogance but I prefer to look at it as a positive thought process which is passed on.
 
He is in the stands at Sampdoria vs. Roma. Nothing sinister, Samp are his old club and Roma have a new coach in charge now (until the end of the season at least). Personally I'd have had all the players in training and given them a bollocking but that may be why I'm not a manager. :P
 
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de niro said:
@BluePhil8 said:
de niro said:
the players lost us the game not the manager. they were a shambles. there is talk of them not liking the manager and "throwing" the game, well if thats the case they can fuck off, all of them. you play to the best of your ability when you take to the field of play, fall out with him in the week but on matchday there are 3 points to be won, the whole world are watching and 3500 guys have shelled out good money to watch you perform. now if it was just "one of those days" fine but thats it now. next week we start again and you had better put that man management shit right out of your heads.
Really De Niro? Can you actually tell me what Mancini is paid £8million a year for? Is he just meant to pick a team week in week out and say "there you go, job done! now it's down to the players!"

there is no way mancini told joe to drop the ball or barry to finish like a world class forward.

He did pick Nasri over Milner and Garcia at CB. Also even though you could see we were being outplayed didn't change formation until too late - as usual.
 
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Ray78 said:
de niro said:
@BluePhil8 said:
Really De Niro? Can you actually tell me what Mancini is paid £8million a year for? Is he just meant to pick a team week in week out and say "there you go, job done! now it's down to the players!"

there is no way mancini told joe to drop the ball or barry to finish like a world class forward.

The Chelsea situation under AVB has shown that the senior players were engineering his exit from Stamford Bridge.

exactly, now he's flying with spuds.
 
Get the feeling its the beginning of the end for Roberto. He along with Platt and Kidd look short of ideas of how to change things around on the pitch and going public to slag off one of your "big" characters in the dressing room is hardly going to help resolve the situation. Best thing to do is let Platt do the post game interviews because the evil rag journalists are out for blood and they sense a weakened and passionate man who is likely to say stupid things.
 
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United will win the league because of RVP but I'm still glad we didn't get Him. I suspected he'd be phenomenal but I hoped he'd get injured soon enough and most importantly (for me) I hate him so didn't want to try to force myself to support him. I liked the strikers we had so unless Falcoa was coming then I was fine with us not getting a new striker.

That said Mancini still had enough at his disposal for us to be a lot closer to challenging United than we are now. We drew too many games and its obvious that theres something not right in our style of play.

I am ok with us not winning the league btw, providing that we still in with a shout next season. Lets not fall into the Chelsea trap of expecting any manager to give you everything you could wish for. They are all only human and it's a complex world.

I don't see any obvious replacement for Mancini (other than Pearce obviously) so IMO we should keep him as long as he is willing to work within the financial constraints that now exist. If he can't do that happily then off with his head.
 
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Palerider said:
I'm certainly not a Mancini out man but can see why others question him. I like him as a man as I think he is a good one but as we are discussing his managerial skills here's my main issues.

1) Man management. I'm not sure he has got the best out of anyone. His treatment of Balotelli was personal but failed. His treatment of Milner and Lescott baffling.

2) Tactics. 3 man defences. 4 full backs. No wingers. No pace. No centre backs. No plan B. 4 strikers on at once. Our plan seems to be to keep the ball in the middle third for as long as possible and hope the opposition tires.

3) Transfers. No vision. With Wenger, Ferguson, Moyes and even Rodgers at Liverpool you can see why they sign certain players. United go for pace ( and class ). Wenger goes for "nice" footballers, Moyes goes for 100 percenters and Rodgers goes for "nice" footballers. You can see a pattern in their signings. For us it just seems haphazard. Yesterday we ended up playing two fullbacks as wing backs. Why not just sign wing backs? Whats the point in selling Johnson, signing Sinclair and then playing Kolarov?

4) TV. Whether we like it or not TV makes the star teams. To become a global club and stand on our own feet we need to turn ourselves into one of the "big" clubs. To do that we have to be attractive to watch. We have to be a team of choice for the neutral. A team where people think "It's City. This will be good". A lot of die hard City fans don't find the possession football we play exciting so I'm pretty certain that the TV viewers are quite happy to give us a miss. We need to associate our name with excitement not functionality. Having the best defensive record is excellent but having the best attacking record is a lot more fun and exciting.
here here could'nt agree with you more this thread is'nt an over reaction from yesterday! these worries have been here for along time and yesterday just highlighted it even more.
 
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Roberto Manciti said:
I think there is a need for some perspective here. There is no such thing as a perfect manager who will get things right every time. Mancini makes mistakes sometimes, but so do all the others.

Those who call for Mancini's exit frequently suggest Mourinho and Klopp as ideal replacements. They are both very accomplished managers with much to offer. However, Mourinho's Real Madrid team has lost five league matches so far this season and sit 16 points adrift of the leaders. Klopp's Borussia Dortmund have lost four league matches so far including a 1-4 thumping at home to Hamburg SV yesterday. They are now 15 points adrift of leaders Bayern Munchen. I guess their fans are about as happy about that as we are about the Southampton result. So we need to keep reality in mind and forget about notions of hiring some mythical miracle worker to replace Mancini.

Mancini isn't perfect. His man-management skills aren't the best. He appears quick to diss his players in public and sometimes slow to praise when appropriate. In certain cases, individuals seem to be harshly frozen out (eg. Lescott). And sometimes Mancini needs to learn to bite his lip. By publicly lambasting Hart yesterday, he risks alienating a player who has produced countless clean sheets for the club and on occasion rescued his boss from abject humiliation (eg. Borussia Dortmund at the Etihad). So Mancini himself - as well as the players - has areas of self-improvement to work on too. But falling short of 100% perfection doesn't mean he should be discarded.

Mancini has managed City to three trophies since joining the club. He must be doing something right! And this season hasn't ended yet; City remain in contention for the FA Cup, and even a Premiership runners-up spot (if achieved) is way beyond what most of us could have dreamed of just five years ago. Life as a blue ain't so bad these days!

Perhaps we need to work with what we've got rather than look to knee-jerk change. Maybe Txiki and Ferran can encourage RM to work more empathically with his players and praise them more readily, and to avoid emotional criticism of them in the media. This is his failing, but it need not be beyond repair. Mancini must learn to overcome his weaknesses, just as the players must work on theirs. But whilst recognising the faults, we mustn't obsess about those in isolation. RM has brought many positives to the club - positives which have delivered three trophies and counting. It would be foolish to throw all that away in haste.

If anybody out there comes across the *perfect* manager, please do let us know. But in the meantime, remember that all the 'dream solution' names come with issues of their own. Mourinho and Klopp are awesome managers. But they lose games too.

Far too much sense for most of the bed wetters on here.
 
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de niro said:
Ray78 said:
de niro said:
there is no way mancini told joe to drop the ball or barry to finish like a world class forward.

The Chelsea situation under AVB has shown that the senior players were engineering his exit from Stamford Bridge.

exactly, now he's flying with spuds.

And Chelsea won Champions League ;)
 
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