Mancini out? (merged)

[Marvin]

Thats probably because you are a Mancini outer and therefore beyond a resonable debate. But guess what i'm going to give you an opportunity to say which elements of my post you disagree with. Over to you, but i won't hold my breath.

For a start your blaming the pitches which is just laughable, then you blame Khaldoon for some ridiculous reason, Mancini has had hundreds of millions to spend but has wasted it on either players who don't fit in with our system ie Dzeko or just crap like Savic and Nasri. Your whole post pretty much sums up Mancini as a chequebook manager. The likes of Klopp and Mourinho have brought amazing success without ridiculous funds. Then you can add in the european factor which is indefensible Mancini is just poor in europe end off. One point of Ajax ffs.

Mouriniho is not a cheque book manager?

I don't know about Mourinho at Porto, but ever since he is the personification of the cheque book manager

Ferguson bought RVP in the Summer, and we knew then what a decisive moment that was. We expected a response but were amazed at what transpired in the last week in August. I was quite happy that we didn't sign RVP, but I expected we'd strengthen elsewhere.

I can take finishing 2nd best to Utd, I can't take meltdown and under-performing. We play to our maximum and nothing else is acceptable. Is that players, manager or the club's fault?

 

[forevermancity]

Kept off the forum for as long as i could after yesterday knowing Bluemoon would be in meltdown. No doubt last night was poor, unusually poor, compared to what we have been used to over the last couple of years. I recall this time last year when we struggled around the same time and i suspect its because we are a little lightweight especially our creative players like Silva, Nasri, Sergio etc perhaps the heavier pitches have a bearing on our perfomances at this time of the year. Its a question not an opinion or excuse.

What i find laughable is posters coming on here saying Bobby should have signed him in the summer or his treatment of other squad players is this/that as if they had UEFA coaching badges. I'm sure if you sat down with the players who played yesterday and asked them why they performed the way they did they would be just as puzzled as us and the manager. The fact is it happens and its only our third defeat this season. Yes we haven't hit the heights we did last season but i suspect that this is a result of teams playing defensively at home as well as parking the bus at our place.

What i found unusual about last night was Southampton actually took the game to us which put us on the backfoot, as did Liverpool, exposing Garcia and Lescottt. Bobby has identified the solution to this by wanting to sign players, especially wide ones, with pace to catch out teams on the break. This is the reason we were allegedly in for Alexis Sanchez.

There is no doubt Bobby was let down by the Club in the summer particularly failing to sign Hazard and Van Persie. So in that respect, in my opinion, the blame doesn't fall on Bobbys shoulders but firmly at the feet of Khaldoon. I just hope for all our sakes that he gets the support he does deserve in the summer and we can all end this monthly/weekly/daily pantomime that goes on on this forum surrounding the managers future. Bobby should be here for the long haul, he's earnt that chance but Khaldoon needs to pull his finger out and give the manager the right tools to do the job. He identified all the issues that would bite us on the arse this season in trying to defend the title and was given one solution, Nastisic. Here's hoping for the summer.

What a disgraceful post that is.

It's the clubs fault for not backing him?

Choosing a manager over our own club? What a fickle 'fan' you are. Disgusting

 

[forevermancity]

For a start your blaming the pitches which is just laughable, then you blame Khaldoon for some ridiculous reason, Mancini has had hundreds of millions to spend but has wasted it on either players who don't fit in with our system ie Dzeko or just crap like Savic and Nasri. Your whole post pretty much sums up Mancini as a chequebook manager. The likes of Klopp and Mourinho have brought amazing success without ridiculous funds. Then you can add in the european factor which is indefensible Mancini is just poor in europe end off. One point of Ajax ffs.

Mouriniho is not a cheque book manager?

I don't know about Mourinho at Porto, but ever since he is the personification of the cheque book manager

Ferguson bought RVP in the Summer, and we knew then what a decisive moment that was. We expected a response but were amazed at what transpired in the last week in August. I was quite happy that we didn't sign RVP, but I expected we'd strengthen elsewhere.

I can take finishing 2nd best to Utd, I can't take meltdown and under-performing. We play to our maximum and nothing else is acceptable. Is that players, manager or the club's fault?

Are you still comparing city sacking Mancini to the farce at Chelsea by the way?

 

[Utter bobbins]

Would they have dared to play like that under mourinho?

Don't know ask the Madrid players

What about the Chelsea team? Porto? Madrid last season?

What about Madrid this season

 

[Rammy Blue]

So are we saying that the only thing that makes a successful team is throwing money at the situation? How on earth can anyone blame Khaldoon for this? We are all aware that we have just posted a £95 million annual loss and this needs to be drastically reduced. There comes a point when a manager has to do his bit in the way of coaching, management and tactics. The fact is Mancini is a chequebook manager who gets by in life by signing expensive players. We could all do that.

Bobby wanted Van Persie and Hazard and for the same money those two might have cost he got Garcia, Sinclair, Wright et al. That had nothing to do with Marwood as inevitably everything goes through Khaldoon. Thats what i don't understand. I understand about FFP, we are all experts on this by now thanks to our more knowledgeable posters, i supported the club stance in the summer on agents fees. But after all that we could still have got the two players Bobby wanted for the same outlay. Thats what puzzles me. Can't blame Bobby for that.

But Bob should not have taken on players like Garcia, Rodwell, Sinclair and Maicon if he didn't rate them. It was a collective fuck up of monumental proportions and no-one at the club comes out of it looking good.

 

[greasedupdeafguy]

Mouriniho is not a cheque book manager?

What did he achieve at Porto without huge funds?

Oh please

Well if you don't know he won a uefa cup, CL and two league titles. At Inter without spending hundreds of millions he won the treble.

 

[HelloCity]

For those wondering, the next player who will have the impact RVP has had on the title race is.....


Bale.


We have to get him.

 

[Taud]

Why was Mancini on the Sampdoria - Roma game today?

 

[Utter bobbins]

What did he achieve at Porto without huge funds?

Oh please

Well if you don't know he won a uefa cup and CL and two league titles. At Inter without spending hundreds of millions he won the treble.

I know exactly what he has won. He has the money he spends it. And he can buy some shite

 

[Joe hart's itchy scalp]

Don't know ask the Madrid players

What about the Chelsea team? Porto? Madrid last season?

What about Madrid this season

Fair point, but I myself am 100% sure that if mourinho was our manager, the whole structure of the team would be different, and we would be a better team. He has proved it time after time, this season is just a one off for him. The fact that everyone who knows anything about football knows mourinho is going surely cannot help the mindset of the team.

 

[Unknown_Genius]

From what he's done while being here, Mancini has earned the right to turn the situation around next season, even if we win nothing this year.

 

[greasedupdeafguy]

Oh please

Well if you don't know he won a uefa cup and CL and two league titles. At Inter without spending hundreds of millions he won the treble.

I know exactly what he has won. He has the money he spends it. And he can buy some shite

At Porto is Net spend was -5 million

 

[OB1]

There is no doubt Bobby was let down by the Club in the summer particularly failing to sign Hazard and Van Persie. So in that respect, in my opinion, the blame doesn't fall on Bobbys shoulders but firmly at the feet of Khaldoon. I just hope for all our sakes that he gets the support he does deserve in the summer and we can all end this monthly/weekly/daily pantomime that goes on on this forum surrounding the managers future. Bobby should be here for the long haul, he's earnt that chance but Khaldoon needs to pull his finger out and give the manager the right tools to do the job. He identified all the issues that would bite us on the arse this season in trying to defend the title and was given one solution, Nastisic. Here's hoping for the summer.

Whilst not disagreeing with your points the team we had out last night should have been more than capable of handling Southampton. Of course it doesn't always work out like that but it was the manner in which we lost that is the concern more so than the actual losee itself. Mancini afterwards expressed the opinion that next week there will be changes and only players who want to fight will be in the team. So i'm guessing it's going to be Vinny, Zabba and Milner v Leeds on they're own.

I'm sorry but I'm getting tired of trying to be polite to all my fellow Blues; frankly it is delusional to think that Bobby does not share a huge part of the blame for our form this season. I'm disappointed that he did not get all the players he wanted when he wanted them but he has enough resources to be doing better.

Yesterday's performance was not all Bobby's fault: you can't legislate for error's like Hart's and Barry's but we still should have had enough to beat Southampton. That performance was absolutely disgraceful and the players have to look at themselves but it also highlighted faults that are not new in the team, that are not new this season and that should have been addressed by the manager.

I'd love Bobby to put things right but how long does he need to do thing s like getting his team fit enough and disciplined enough to play a pressing game and step up to it when your opponents do what Saints did yesterday?

 

[Corky]

Oh please

Well if you don't know he won a uefa cup and CL and two league titles. At Inter without spending hundreds of millions he won the treble.

I know exactly what he has won. He has the money he spends it. And he can buy some shite

He tends to get good value for money to be fair and wins big things straight away. He just tends not to stick around very long.

 

[Utter bobbins]

Well if you don't know he won a uefa cup and CL and two league titles. At Inter without spending hundreds of millions he won the treble.

I know exactly what he has won. He has the money he spends it. And he can buy some shite

At Porto is Net spend was -5 million

Fantastic great manager. Mancin didn't spend a rite lot at Lazio and Fiorentina and did great also

 

[BlueMoonz1977]

Why was Mancini on the Sampdoria - Roma game today?

Could be looking at his new club after they sacked Zeman

 

[Utter bobbins]

Why was Mancini on the Sampdoria - Roma game today?

Could be looking at his new club after they sacked Zeman

Scouting De Rossi

 

[greasedupdeafguy]

I know exactly what he has won. He has the money he spends it. And he can buy some shite

At Porto is Net spend was -5 million

Fantastic great manager. Mancin didn't spend a rite lot at Lazio and Fiorentina and did great also

Won the CL did he?
Do you really think Mancini is a better manager than Mourinho?

 

[OB1]

Have to say I can't understand the way Nasri has played since coming here. I used to watch him at Arsenal pick the ball up and run at defenders going past them with ease playing a nice one two and getting a shot off at goal. Here he's hardly done nothing more than pick up the ball and play nice little flicks and triangle passes in the middle of the pitch causing little or no effect whatsoever. Surely he must be playing to orders.

Or disobeying them; in which case, he should not be selected.

Why isn't he under orders to get the ball and run at defenders?

 

[Utter bobbins]

At Porto is Net spend was -5 million

Fantastic great manager. Mancin didn't spend a rite lot at Lazio and Fiorentina and did great also

Won the CL did he?
Do you really think Mancini is a better manager than Mourinho?

Never said that. Your point was Mouriniho is not a cheque book manager.