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Marvin said:Exactly. And when you've got this topic in place you can expect the dirty tricks campaigngordondaviesmoustache said:At least that's usually followed by some statement of substance, even if it's usually untrue.TCIB said:'Sky sports understands...' must be in the top 5.
That quote from the Guardian could have been adduced as a consequence of the following conversation with a club "source":
"Is Mancini going at the end of the season?"
"Get fucked you fucking wankstain and keep your fucking nose out if it."
with sources at Eastlands unable to confirm he will still be in place next season
So the bad press is cos of this thread on this forum?!
Haha. In that case it's goodnight from me...
Here's to 3 points tomorrow night
McFcMiKe7 said:Anybody getting sick to death of hearing him complain about the transfers? Seems to be every other week he is going on about it. Would like to know what the players we signed feel about him constantly saying it.
The cynics among us might suggest that he's less bothered about that and more bothered about trying to justify his own performance this season.
Personally, I wouldn't blame him for being second this season and nor do I think that there was disgrace in not coming through the group in the CL. I predicted both of these things back in August, and it seems to me that there are mitigating factors for both.
In the league, we have to recognise that United missed out only on goal difference last time, signed last season's top PL striker, and they've been relentless in terms of putting teams away. Their points haul is quite remarkable and we have to recognise that.
In the CL, we had an exceptionally difficult draw and the two teams who qualified from our group are now set to make the semis, unlike any of the English participants. That shows what a tough task we faced at the outset.
Moreover, we've suffered considerably more from injuries this time out, and we didn't improve the quality of our squad. So you won't find me saying we should have been topping the league, should have made it out of the group in the CL and that the manager deserves the sack purely because we didn't.
However, even having regard to last summer's transfer activity and the injuries we've had, my view is that we should be doing better than being 15 points off the pace in the league. I also believe that, tough group or not, we should be entitled to expect better than zero wins in the six CL matches, including a solitary point against an Ajax side that the two qualifiers beat comfortably twice.
So it sits ill with me that Roberto keeps complaining. Yes, maybe it offers an excuse for not matching last season's achievements, but last summer's transfer activity is long in the past and I'd prefer him to focus on getting the best from what he has than bleat about a die that was cast months ago.
Now, that doesn't necessarily mean that he should be fired. Nonetheless, I see it as perfectly legitimate for him to have to answer questions about it (among other things) in his end-of-season review in Abu Dhabi.
In any case, perceived underachievement this season is why there's speculation about his tenure, both on here and in the press. It's laughable and idiotic to suggest that press comment is fuelled by this thread.
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Funny you should mention thatKeith Moon said:The thing with Mancini's "to be or not to be" is that nobody in the british press has access to inside info from Taxi & Sori and much likely Taxi & Sori doesn't have a clue about Mancini's fait either because its all in the hands of the mighty Mansour.
Steve bates the manchester based journo(twat of a rag too) on the supplement yesterday was saying not one interview has been given by them to any brittish newspaper
He was as good as saying everything being written was guesswork,or unfounded rumours
So it just must be a few posters on here that Begristan & soriano are in contact with :)
Mancini makes these excuses because he is constantly been asked to justify City's position...the press conferencespetrusha said:McFcMiKe7 said:Anybody getting sick to death of hearing him complain about the transfers? Seems to be every other week he is going on about it. Would like to know what the players we signed feel about him constantly saying it.
The cynics among us might suggest that he's less bothered about that and more bothered about trying to justify his own performance this season.
Personally, I wouldn't blame him for being second this season and nor do I think that there was disgrace in not coming through the group in the CL. I predicted both of these things back in August, and it seems to me that there are mitigating factors for both.
In the league, we have to recognise that United missed out only on goal difference last time, signed last season's top PL striker, and they've been relentless in terms of putting teams away. Their points haul is quite remarkable and we have to recognise that.
In the CL, we had an exceptionally difficult draw and the two teams who qualified from our group are now set to make the semis, unlike any of the English participants. That shows what a tough task we faced at the outset.
Moreover, we've suffered considerably more from injuries this time out, and we didn't improve the quality of our squad. So you won't find me saying we should have been topping the league, should have made it out of the group in the CL and that the manager deserves the sack purely because we didn't.
However, even having regard to last summer's transfer activity and the injuries we've had, my view is that we should be doing better than being 15 points off the pace in the league. I also believe that, tough group or not, we should be entitled to expect better than zero wins in the six CL matches, including a solitary point against an Ajax side that the two qualifiers beat comfortably twice.
So it sits ill with me that Roberto keeps complaining. Yes, maybe it offers an excuse for not matching last season's achievements, but last summer's transfer activity is long in the past and I'd prefer him to focus on getting the best from what he has than bleat about a die that was cast months ago.
Now, that doesn't necessarily mean that he should be fired. Nonetheless, I see it as perfectly legitimate for him to have to answer questions about it (among other things) in his end-of-season review in Abu Dhabi.
In any case, perceived underachievement this season is why there's speculation about his tenure, both on here and in the press. It's laughable and idiotic to suggest that press comment is fuelled by this thread.
The story Radio 5 are running with this morning is that teams don't try as hard against Man Utd.....they are psychologically beaten before they start which is very true. A few teams roll over when they play City but it's something you benefit from more after sustained success.
I am not sure it matters - it provides ammo to his critics, but anyone with an ounce of common sense knows where he's coming from
benitez got hammered in the press when he went up against ferguson, and Wenger. It's part of the territory of going head to head with MUFC....a pity that some on our side want to pick holes in our own guy so much.
I agreed pretty much with all your comments about City's performance this season. Mancini has said repeatedly that the difference is goal scored, and their addition of RVP, and our sale of Mario and AJ plus injury to Aguero makes it.
You could if you wanted make a case for mancini allowing Mario to get disillusioned, to the point where he wanted out, but most observers think that he bent over backwards to keep him happy.
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I've been holding off from writing on this thread, but Mancini is really beginning to piss me off with his whingeing.
During the first part of his reign, he was class personified; no complaints about anyone, a good use of what we thought were mind games, etc. But this season it's just been a complete whinge-fest about signings. The truth is, we spent a lot of money last summer on players who haven't improved the team for one reason or another. Still, at the end of the day, did he not have final say on whether those players were to be signed or not? He then refuses to play Sinclair - why agree to his transfer then?
And now he wants to go out and spend another fortune on strengthening the team.
If I were Mancini, I'd shut up whingeing and start concentrating on improving the squad through training and building a TEAM. It hurts to say, but that's exactly what Ferguson has done. How we all laughed when he bought Smalling, Jones, Cleverley, etc. However, he has them all playing as a team, ie, the sum is greater than the parts. We, on the other hand, sometimes still look like a team hastily thrown together for a lot of money.
I like Mancini, and have complete respect for what he's done for us, but I'm not sure if I trust him with much more of the board's money. I have no problem with second place this season, as I expected Utd to take it back this year, I just wish Mancini would act more like a football manager than a kid playing Football Manager.
That said, I hope we beat them 1-0 tonight, via a flukey, deflected injury-time goal (after they've had two disallowed, missed two penalties and we've inexplicably had a man sent off).
During the first part of his reign, he was class personified; no complaints about anyone, a good use of what we thought were mind games, etc. But this season it's just been a complete whinge-fest about signings. The truth is, we spent a lot of money last summer on players who haven't improved the team for one reason or another. Still, at the end of the day, did he not have final say on whether those players were to be signed or not? He then refuses to play Sinclair - why agree to his transfer then?
And now he wants to go out and spend another fortune on strengthening the team.
If I were Mancini, I'd shut up whingeing and start concentrating on improving the squad through training and building a TEAM. It hurts to say, but that's exactly what Ferguson has done. How we all laughed when he bought Smalling, Jones, Cleverley, etc. However, he has them all playing as a team, ie, the sum is greater than the parts. We, on the other hand, sometimes still look like a team hastily thrown together for a lot of money.
I like Mancini, and have complete respect for what he's done for us, but I'm not sure if I trust him with much more of the board's money. I have no problem with second place this season, as I expected Utd to take it back this year, I just wish Mancini would act more like a football manager than a kid playing Football Manager.
That said, I hope we beat them 1-0 tonight, via a flukey, deflected injury-time goal (after they've had two disallowed, missed two penalties and we've inexplicably had a man sent off).
There are over 700 pages debating where the man who has lead is to a title an fa cup potentially another fa cup a charity shield and 2nd place in the league should be sacked. I bet some of you outers were Hughes inners didsbury dave certainly was, it amazes me then that there was nowhere near the amount of discussion about Hughes who won fuck all and couldn't even make top 4 despite spunking cash away. No a lot of you outers said give Hughes time so why not extend the courtesy to a guy who has made us champions and a team that top players want to play for.
Marvin, your comments about the media actually raise quite an interesting (to me, if no one else!) point regarding Mancini's English. This interests me because in my job, I work with a lot of very sharp Russian lawyers and part of my job is to make their texts work as proper legal texts in English.
I know there are one or two posters who say that they don't think Roberto comes across as particularly bright. In my view, though, the perception of him is very much a function of the limitations of his English. Some of the lawyers I work with come over very differently when you hear them speaking their own language than when they speak in English. My suspicion (but that's all it is because I have basic Italian but nowhere near of a level to investigate this properly) is that in his own language Roberto would come across as less of a nice bloke but a far more astute operator. If anyone is able to comment on this with authority, I'd be interested to know whether that's right.
What is clear is that he isn't all that gifted in terms of learning languages. I know plenty of people who aren't (my missus, for instance, when she lived with me in England) and it doesn't make them thick; I've always been good in this area but was hopeless at physics at school, for instance, whereas I know genuinely brilliant people who are useless when it comes to foreign languages. However, that facing the press is a significant part of Roberto's job and the results invariably make big back-page headlines that have an impact on the club's reputation.
Given that this is an area where his skills aren't the greatest, I do wonder if he gets enough support in terms of briefing him on what he should and shouldn't say to the media. In any case, he's volatile and simply prone to going off on one, such as when he seemed to resign after Inter's CL defeat at Liverpool in 2008 and then revoked it later, but the language aspect (where he probably has thoughts and sentiments that he's probably unable to express in the language he's using) is only going to make things worse. I've wondered more or less since he arrived and was pitched into that awful press conference with Cook why he hasn't been given better support in this regard. Both his character and level of language skills mean he badly needs it.
As for Balo, we can say with the benefit of hindsight that someone - whether Mancini or not - screwed this one up badly. I don't have time to look it up now, but didn't Mancini suggest after the Arsenal game last April that Balo would be sold? His performances in Euro 2012 provided us with a great opportunity to offload him at a decent price in the close season and we didn't. His performances for Milan have been a significant step up from what he produced for us between August and January, and I'm not sure it really should have taken hindsight to see that it would have been the best course to sell the player in the summer.
A couple of other points in the light of posts that have been added this morning.
I suppose I fall as an 'Mancini outer', though my position is qualified by the fact that if Roberto and Txiki both feel they can work together successfully next season, that will do for me. However, I do wonder whether Roberto has reached a natural breaking point with City for various reasons which have been extensively rehearsed in this thread. Nonetheless, I certainly wasn't a 'Hughes inner', and thought it was pretty clear he was the wrong man from quite early on after the takeover.
And secondly, whatever key personnel in Abu Dhabi currently think of Roberto and whatever Ferran or Txiki are minded to recommend if asked by Abu Dhabi for their views, I want us to be discussing matters in the summer from a position of strength. That means I would love nothing more than to see a strong finish to cement second place (including, if possible, a win tonight over those ****s) and, fingers crossed, an FA Cup win too. Why would anyone not want those things, regardless of the degree of confidence they have in Mancini for next season and beyond?
PS - I recognise that this morning's posts are just me rambling inconsequentially. I'm at work but can't go forward on my most important matter for now until I have some information I need from someone else.
I know there are one or two posters who say that they don't think Roberto comes across as particularly bright. In my view, though, the perception of him is very much a function of the limitations of his English. Some of the lawyers I work with come over very differently when you hear them speaking their own language than when they speak in English. My suspicion (but that's all it is because I have basic Italian but nowhere near of a level to investigate this properly) is that in his own language Roberto would come across as less of a nice bloke but a far more astute operator. If anyone is able to comment on this with authority, I'd be interested to know whether that's right.
What is clear is that he isn't all that gifted in terms of learning languages. I know plenty of people who aren't (my missus, for instance, when she lived with me in England) and it doesn't make them thick; I've always been good in this area but was hopeless at physics at school, for instance, whereas I know genuinely brilliant people who are useless when it comes to foreign languages. However, that facing the press is a significant part of Roberto's job and the results invariably make big back-page headlines that have an impact on the club's reputation.
Given that this is an area where his skills aren't the greatest, I do wonder if he gets enough support in terms of briefing him on what he should and shouldn't say to the media. In any case, he's volatile and simply prone to going off on one, such as when he seemed to resign after Inter's CL defeat at Liverpool in 2008 and then revoked it later, but the language aspect (where he probably has thoughts and sentiments that he's probably unable to express in the language he's using) is only going to make things worse. I've wondered more or less since he arrived and was pitched into that awful press conference with Cook why he hasn't been given better support in this regard. Both his character and level of language skills mean he badly needs it.
As for Balo, we can say with the benefit of hindsight that someone - whether Mancini or not - screwed this one up badly. I don't have time to look it up now, but didn't Mancini suggest after the Arsenal game last April that Balo would be sold? His performances in Euro 2012 provided us with a great opportunity to offload him at a decent price in the close season and we didn't. His performances for Milan have been a significant step up from what he produced for us between August and January, and I'm not sure it really should have taken hindsight to see that it would have been the best course to sell the player in the summer.
A couple of other points in the light of posts that have been added this morning.
I suppose I fall as an 'Mancini outer', though my position is qualified by the fact that if Roberto and Txiki both feel they can work together successfully next season, that will do for me. However, I do wonder whether Roberto has reached a natural breaking point with City for various reasons which have been extensively rehearsed in this thread. Nonetheless, I certainly wasn't a 'Hughes inner', and thought it was pretty clear he was the wrong man from quite early on after the takeover.
And secondly, whatever key personnel in Abu Dhabi currently think of Roberto and whatever Ferran or Txiki are minded to recommend if asked by Abu Dhabi for their views, I want us to be discussing matters in the summer from a position of strength. That means I would love nothing more than to see a strong finish to cement second place (including, if possible, a win tonight over those ****s) and, fingers crossed, an FA Cup win too. Why would anyone not want those things, regardless of the degree of confidence they have in Mancini for next season and beyond?
PS - I recognise that this morning's posts are just me rambling inconsequentially. I'm at work but can't go forward on my most important matter for now until I have some information I need from someone else.
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Good posts Petrusha.
Whether you love Roberto or hate him he is doing a rather good job this week of taking the pressure off the team for the derby. All the media angst is focussed on him rather than the team.
Whether you love Roberto or hate him he is doing a rather good job this week of taking the pressure off the team for the derby. All the media angst is focussed on him rather than the team.
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McFcMiKe7 said:Anybody getting sick to death of hearing him complain about the transfers? Seems to be every other week he is going on about it. Would like to know what the players we signed feel about him constantly saying it.
Yeah Im sick of it too, now he's banging on about teams not trying hard enough against the scum, sometimes I think he's losing his mind..
rastus
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We are getting battered by the press & pundits.
Its Mancinis job to give them some back, which he has.
Well done Mancini.
Its Mancinis job to give them some back, which he has.
Well done Mancini.
Bill Walker
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rastus said:We are getting battered by the press & pundits.
Its Mancinis job to give them some back, which he has.
Well done Mancini.
always a mistake to take on the press, keep a dignified silence is best, do your talking on the pitch
nimrod said:rastus said:We are getting battered by the press & pundits.
Its Mancinis job to give them some back, which he has.
Well done Mancini.
always a mistake to take on the press, keep a dignified silence is best, do your talking on the pitch
Lost in translation and the media take full advantage
nimrod said:McFcMiKe7 said:Anybody getting sick to death of hearing him complain about the transfers? Seems to be every other week he is going on about it. Would like to know what the players we signed feel about him constantly saying it.
Yeah Im sick of it too, now he's banging on about teams not trying hard enough against the scum, sometimes I think he's losing his mind..
I think he has a point on that one. Compare and contrast Arsenal and Liverpool's attitude and work rate when they played at the Etihad to when they played at the swamp.
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hands up those who agree with Mr Turkeyneck Hansen
Alan Hansen: Manchester City’s missed opportunity to rule means manager Roberto Mancini has to go
Manchester City had the biggest chance of all-time to blow the rest of English football away last summer and set in motion success for the next 10 years, but Roberto Mancini’s future is now under threat because they have simply failed to grasp their opportunity.
Feeling the blues: Roberto Mancini's Manchester City job is under threat after his team failed to assert any kind of pressure on Premier League leaders Manchester
By Alan Hansen6:15AM BST 08 Apr 201337 Comments
When Sergio Agüero scored the goal to win the Premier League title in the dying seconds of last season, everybody expected City to kick on and obliterate the rest of the field. Yet as they go to Old Trafford on Monday, 15 points behind their neighbours Manchester United, questions are being asked of Mancini and people are trying to decide who is at fault for the position in which City now find themselves in.
Mancini continues to talk about City’s failure to sign the players he wanted last summer, top-class performers such as Robin van Persie, Daniele De Rossi and Javi Martínez. But the fact that none of those players arrived and Mancini chose to stay suggests to me that he is at fault for still being there.
The minute a manager fails to persuade his bosses to get the players he wants is the minute he should go. Jose Mourinho ultimately walked out on Chelsea because he was not happy with the players being brought in to the club. Mourinho knew a manager had to be left to manage.
What happens on the pitch always comes back to the manager, so if Mancini was not happy with the players who were added to his squad, or displeased at those who did not arrive, he could have done what Mourinho did at Chelsea.
There have been too many other issues at City this season, though, and that is why Mancini now finds himself in trouble. He has failed to get the best out of players who were good enough to win the title last season, he allowed the Mario Balotelli distraction to run on for far too long and the lack of team spirit is another problem that has to come back to the manager.
In a football dressing-room, nobody likes a manager, or certainly very few players do. Bob Paisley used to say that the moment a manager is liked by his players is the moment when he is in trouble, but while they don’t have to be liked, the players have to be able to rely on the manager.
There have been too many noises coming out of the City camp this season, though, and too much talk of in-fighting and the lack of togetherness has played itself out in the defeats at Southampton and Everton, when their performance was totally unacceptable. There was no fight from City in either game and that has to be down to the manager.
When you have the club captain playing for his country against the manager’s wishes after two months out with injury, you know you have problems.
As captain, Vincent Kompany has to be the leader in the dressing room, somebody who is on the same wavelength as the manager.
He has to be the buffer between the manager and the players, but by playing for Belgium last month after all that time on the sidelines, he did little to convey the notion that he and Mancini are on the same frequency.
There is now talk of Barcelona being interested in Kompany, so instead of City adding world-class players to their squad, they are now faced with the prospect of the team breaking up.
After winning the title last season, City simply should not find themselves in the position they are now in. And one of the biggest indictments of their title defence is that their under-par showings have led to people starting to describe the leading team as one of Ferguson’s best.
Nobody was saying that back in October and November when United were scraping 1-0 victories against mediocre opposition, but they have since stretched their lead to 15 points because City have put them under absolutely no pressure.
United have been allowed to coast to the title. They capitulated last season, but City have failed to assert any kind of pressure to make that happen again.
And that is why Mancini is now hearing talk of his job being under threat, because the modern game demands success immediately.
He has overseen a team that has gone from being in a position of absolute power to one that has left everyone guessing again about what the future holds.
And while Mancini may still complain about the failings of last summer and the lack of top-quality additions to his squad, the buck always stops with the manager and nobody can say that he or City have had a good season.
Alan Hansen: Manchester City’s missed opportunity to rule means manager Roberto Mancini has to go
Manchester City had the biggest chance of all-time to blow the rest of English football away last summer and set in motion success for the next 10 years, but Roberto Mancini’s future is now under threat because they have simply failed to grasp their opportunity.
Feeling the blues: Roberto Mancini's Manchester City job is under threat after his team failed to assert any kind of pressure on Premier League leaders Manchester
By Alan Hansen6:15AM BST 08 Apr 201337 Comments
When Sergio Agüero scored the goal to win the Premier League title in the dying seconds of last season, everybody expected City to kick on and obliterate the rest of the field. Yet as they go to Old Trafford on Monday, 15 points behind their neighbours Manchester United, questions are being asked of Mancini and people are trying to decide who is at fault for the position in which City now find themselves in.
Mancini continues to talk about City’s failure to sign the players he wanted last summer, top-class performers such as Robin van Persie, Daniele De Rossi and Javi Martínez. But the fact that none of those players arrived and Mancini chose to stay suggests to me that he is at fault for still being there.
The minute a manager fails to persuade his bosses to get the players he wants is the minute he should go. Jose Mourinho ultimately walked out on Chelsea because he was not happy with the players being brought in to the club. Mourinho knew a manager had to be left to manage.
What happens on the pitch always comes back to the manager, so if Mancini was not happy with the players who were added to his squad, or displeased at those who did not arrive, he could have done what Mourinho did at Chelsea.
There have been too many other issues at City this season, though, and that is why Mancini now finds himself in trouble. He has failed to get the best out of players who were good enough to win the title last season, he allowed the Mario Balotelli distraction to run on for far too long and the lack of team spirit is another problem that has to come back to the manager.
In a football dressing-room, nobody likes a manager, or certainly very few players do. Bob Paisley used to say that the moment a manager is liked by his players is the moment when he is in trouble, but while they don’t have to be liked, the players have to be able to rely on the manager.
There have been too many noises coming out of the City camp this season, though, and too much talk of in-fighting and the lack of togetherness has played itself out in the defeats at Southampton and Everton, when their performance was totally unacceptable. There was no fight from City in either game and that has to be down to the manager.
When you have the club captain playing for his country against the manager’s wishes after two months out with injury, you know you have problems.
As captain, Vincent Kompany has to be the leader in the dressing room, somebody who is on the same wavelength as the manager.
He has to be the buffer between the manager and the players, but by playing for Belgium last month after all that time on the sidelines, he did little to convey the notion that he and Mancini are on the same frequency.
There is now talk of Barcelona being interested in Kompany, so instead of City adding world-class players to their squad, they are now faced with the prospect of the team breaking up.
After winning the title last season, City simply should not find themselves in the position they are now in. And one of the biggest indictments of their title defence is that their under-par showings have led to people starting to describe the leading team as one of Ferguson’s best.
Nobody was saying that back in October and November when United were scraping 1-0 victories against mediocre opposition, but they have since stretched their lead to 15 points because City have put them under absolutely no pressure.
United have been allowed to coast to the title. They capitulated last season, but City have failed to assert any kind of pressure to make that happen again.
And that is why Mancini is now hearing talk of his job being under threat, because the modern game demands success immediately.
He has overseen a team that has gone from being in a position of absolute power to one that has left everyone guessing again about what the future holds.
And while Mancini may still complain about the failings of last summer and the lack of top-quality additions to his squad, the buck always stops with the manager and nobody can say that he or City have had a good season.
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Rolee said:nimrod said:McFcMiKe7 said:Anybody getting sick to death of hearing him complain about the transfers? Seems to be every other week he is going on about it. Would like to know what the players we signed feel about him constantly saying it.[/quote
Yeah Im sick of it too, now he's banging on about teams not trying hard enough against the scum, sometimes I think he's losing his mind..
I think he has a point on that one. Compare and contrast Arsenal and Liverpool's attitude and work rate when they played at the Etihad to when they played at the swamp.
I totally agree with Roberto on this one many teams play them home or away with timidity and often go a goal down after a few minutes. The game plan has gone out of the window , playing for a draw. When they are in Europe this is less so but unfortunately they are playing less proficient teams in the early group stages anyway.
nimrod said:McFcMiKe7 said:Anybody getting sick to death of hearing him complain about the transfers? Seems to be every other week he is going on about it. Would like to know what the players we signed feel about him constantly saying it.
Yeah Im sick of it too, now he's banging on about teams not trying hard enough against the scum, sometimes I think he's losing his mind..
I've never met a blue who doesn't think that teams (not all but the majority) lay down and play a different game against them through fear. It's happened for years and the fact that he's mentioned it should be welcomed, not used against him. If you think he's losing his mind for making that observation it can only be because you've already decided you want him gone and this is something else to add to the small list of excuses of why.
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