Mancini's future

[robbieh]

I'm not happy with Mancini's handling of Tevez this season and the debacle the other night (wholly down to Tevez who was totally out of order and now has no future at this club) could have been avoided if Mancini had given Tevez some more game time. It suits Mancini down to the ground that Tevez has made a twat of himself, but I'd question whether a manager should let personal feelings get in the way of the best interests of the club he works for. As others have mentioned Mancini has previous for this type of thing, and if Tevez was my £40 million pound asset I'd be fucking fuming, primarily with the player, but also with his manager for letting the situation get out of control. As far as Mancini's future in concerned, I'm pretty sure he's been given his target for the season and if he achieves it he'll be ok. Remains to be seen whether this week's events have strengthened or weakened us, although if it were my job on the line I'd want Tevez available for selection, because he's a quality player despite his faults.

the Cabal emerges from the undergrowth, leaving its poisonous trail for all to see.

Is this one inner circle or just a groupie?

Going back to his idiotic post. Of course Tevez is not going to get much game time for two very good reasons. Firstly everyone knows he's leaving in January. Balotelli, Dzeko and Kun are the future of the club. Carlos can hardly complain on that score as he has been trying to engineer a move away for some time. Secondly he arrived back late and unfit.

This is a desperate attempt to resurrect the Tevez vs Mancini non event. Even a blind man can see that Tevez has been a poisonous influence wherever he has been. For some reason hgb does seem to want to recognize this fact.

In addition Tevez is not the world beater he keeps going on about. A useful squad player for us but that's it.

 

[linkovic]

I simply dont understand how you guys criticize Dzeko for his unprofessionalism but not also
Mancini .... If its true that he said to Dzeko : "Fu** off back to Bosnia" thats SIMPLY unaceptable in sucha promising team as MC who strives to become world elite...

 

[lionheart]

Just a word of caution. Some time ago a bloke called Berbatov refused to play for Tottenham. A few weeks later, his manager (Martin Jol) was sacked. The same thing happened to a Newcastle player (whose name escapes me) and a few weeks later Sir Bobby Robson was dismissed. We all hope the same thing doesn't happen here as quite frankly there are few decent managers around. Arsene Wenger anyone?

 

[bumbleblue]

I think Mancinis future is probably safer now than at anytime since he arrived. He was obviously prevented from selling tevez in summer as i suppose at the time rightly as board wanted to maximise income for him and send out a message that we are not mugs etc. As someone else posted he can probably now tell the owners/board etc i told you so.. Now cook has gone as well i can see Mancini getting a new contract and tevez getting a taxi to the airport.

 

[SWP's back]

I'm not happy with Mancini's handling of Tevez this season and the debacle the other night (wholly down to Tevez who was totally out of order and now has no future at this club) could have been avoided if Mancini had given Tevez some more game time. It suits Mancini down to the ground that Tevez has made a twat of himself, but I'd question whether a manager should let personal feelings get in the way of the best interests of the club he works for. As others have mentioned Mancini has previous for this type of thing, and if Tevez was my £40 million pound asset I'd be fucking fuming, primarily with the player, but also with his manager for letting the situation get out of control. As far as Mancini's future in concerned, I'm pretty sure he's been given his target for the season and if he achieves it he'll be ok. Remains to be seen whether this week's events have strengthened or weakened us, although if it were my job on the line I'd want Tevez available for selection, because he's a quality player despite his faults.

Your not happy with his handling of Tevez this season and it could have been avoided if he gave him some more game time. When the season started Tevez had barely trained, he wasn't available for selection against Swansea and Edin and Aguero both had good games and both scored in that game

The week after we went to Bolton and rightly so Tevez started on the bench as he was not going to be fully fit and Aguero and Dzeko deservedly start. Dzeko scored in that game and Aguero had a good game in what was a good win, Tevez came on in that game. The game after we played Spurs and Dzeko and Aguero both started on the back of their impressive performances against Swansea and Bolton. Dzeko scored 4 that game and Aguero scored again and played very well. We then played Wigan at home and Dzeko was rested and Tevez was brought in to play alongside Aguero. Tevez missed a penalty, played a few decent passes but in general just did ok whereas Aguero scored a hat trick. Tevez in that game did nothing to suggest he should play the next game against Napoli ahead of Aguero and Dzeko

Neither Aguero and Dzeko played great against Napoli but Mancini obviously felt that they were worthy of another start together against Fulham, in that game Aguero scored two and Dzeko did ok and got an assist for the second goal. After that came Birmingham where Tevez played and again just did ok, missing a one on one towards the end

There could be an argument that he may have started against Bayern but what had he shown in his two previous starts to show that he looked in any sort of form?

Mancini has not treated Tevez badly this season, he's just got players who are in better form and want to play for the club. I know you've never really liked Mancini and i've not seen you post for a long time so not sure on your stance right now but i'm not sure how anyone can think Mancini has treated Tevez badly this season

Well destroyed

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

What fall out did he have with SWP and bridge?

It was well reported that Bridge was one of the ring-leaders of the early anti-Mancini revolts. SWP was clearly frozen out but, as I pointed out, there are significant weaknesses in his play. However he was costing us very little to keep so we must assume there was a personality clash of some sort. Onuoha was another who clearly felt badly done to by Mancini.

You could not be further from the truth about SWP being frozen out. He simply ws not picked often as he isn't very good. Mancini has been nothing but complementary about SWP the person. The same with Bridge. They just aren't good enough.

Onuoha, like many that have had problems thought Mancini was gone after 6 months and acted foolishly.

You make me laugh. What does the manager have to do to get your support?

I do support him. I support him 100% over Tevez as I've said already. Where have I said I don't? That's a very lazy and simplistic post of yours as well as twisting facts to suit your agenda.

Bridge was identified as one of the group of players who went to see Cook to demand Mancini's sacking early in his tenure. That's a fact whether you like it or not and he's been on shit street since then.

I accept there probably wasn't a personal problem between SWP & Mancini but his dad was causing problems and there was friction between Wright and the club (as proven by the Onuoha email incident) and they clearly were fed up of it and weren't going to offer SWP a new contract. I've been one of the most critical of SWP's abilities and said as much in an earlier post so I think it's a bit of both with SWP. Not quite good enough plus troublemaking father.

Bellamy's just an awkward sod but a good player and he was a victim of the "my way or the highway" approach of Mancini. They fell out over training and that's another well-established fact. Onuoha was daft to make public comments about Mancini on TV and was frozen out after that. Interestingly it took a refusal to play for him to finally freeze out Tevez and Balotelli has had a few chances after potentially blowing it. So it clearly helps if you're a decent player in his eyes.

We know that he doesn't have a lot of interaction with players. I thought not personally telling players that they were out and texting them to train with the youngsters was piss poor on RM's part. He should have had the guts to tell them where they stood face-to-face but he doesn't apparently talk much to players off the training ground. That's not the way I'd do it if I wanted the respect of my players but he's the manager so it's his choice and he'll stand or fall by that.

The thing that made Malcolm Allison a great coach was that he knew how to deal with each player as an individual. Some like Neil Young were often short of confidence and needed an arm round the shoulder to gee them up. Mike Summerbee needed to be riled to get a positive reaction so Mal would be aggressive and confrontational. Colin Bell needed very little interaction from him.

Baconface is a ruthless manager but equally knows when to be supportive of players having problems. And that's how he gets the best out of them.

Mancini like me, you and everyone, has strengths and weaknesses and people pointing out what they believe are weaknesses on a message board where we express opinions are not undermining him. Being blind to potential weaknesses may suit you but it's not my style. I get well paid for looking at problems from all angles and challenging people who I think are wrong. His strengths may well see us very successful but his weaknesses could see us fail and him out of a job. Like quite a few others on here I see players who don't appear to give their all more often than I'd like and can't seem to rouse themselves to come back from being a goal down. That's worth questioning in my eyes.

But I'll be at Ewood Park on Saturday giving the team and Mancini my full support. However once the whistle blows for full-time then I'll continue questioning anything I see as wrong.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I'm not happy with Mancini's handling of Tevez this season and the debacle the other night (wholly down to Tevez who was totally out of order and now has no future at this club) could have been avoided if Mancini had given Tevez some more game time. It suits Mancini down to the ground that Tevez has made a twat of himself, but I'd question whether a manager should let personal feelings get in the way of the best interests of the club he works for. As others have mentioned Mancini has previous for this type of thing, and if Tevez was my £40 million pound asset I'd be fucking fuming, primarily with the player, but also with his manager for letting the situation get out of control. As far as Mancini's future in concerned, I'm pretty sure he's been given his target for the season and if he achieves it he'll be ok. Remains to be seen whether this week's events have strengthened or weakened us, although if it were my job on the line I'd want Tevez available for selection, because he's a quality player despite his faults.

More game time? No way.

He came back fat and out of shape.

 

[DontLookBackInAnger]

Tuesday night(rightly in my view)Mancini basically made as clear a "it's him or me statement" and there is always a danger in that. Don't forget thats pretty much what finished Joe Mercer's career at City. I hope City do the right thing and fuck Tevez off, but it's a major risk for Mancini.

 

[Balti]

He has not been at the races since his transfer request last winter

His recent form has been poor

There has been no reason to pick him and plenty of reasons not to

i.e. the better form of others and his shitty attitude

 

[SWP's back]

Just a word of caution. Some time ago a bloke called Berbatov refused to play for Tottenham. A few weeks later, his manager (Martin Jol) was sacked. The same thing happened to a Newcastle player (whose name escapes me) and a few weeks later Sir Bobby Robson was dismissed. We all hope the same thing doesn't happen here as quite frankly there are few decent managers around. Arsene Wenger anyone?

My god you managed to stop licking the monitor just long enough to type something again I see.