Marc Cucurella

[Coatigan]

Barcelona are trying to dodge at least £20m in payments to de jong. I would have more respect if de jong realised he’s not wanted and just moved on. It’s not like they’re short of a few quid.

That is completely different, that is wages they haven't paid him for seasons, he is due his own deferred wages.

 

[lee one pen]

Where have you read that and what have you read to makenyou think that?

I am a little bit open minded to it being possible. I have read otherwise, all I can base it on is that. And sense.

It’s been like that for years mate. Just think why all our recent stars have seen their contracts out. The bonuses must have been unreal.

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

Barcelona are trying to dodge at least £20m in payments to de jong.

Exactly, mate

I think what’s being missed here is what people determine as ‘bonuses’, for example, projections around where the team finishes or appearances in a seasons can’t be dismissed, despite it being a prediction, therefore it has to be honoured, these are fundamentals of current contracts!

 

[failsworthblueboy]

So have I in Scotland

That's *Peebles.

 

[lee one pen]

That is completely different, that is wages they haven't paid him for seasons, he is due his own deferred wages.

And on top of that is his loyalty bonuses mate. If he’s on £500 grand a week, I bet his bonuses are mental.

 

[Coatigan]

Again, and this isn’t meant to come across condescending, but that’s exactly what happens, in effect, the players contract around bonuses has to be honoured in it’s entirety or negotiated on exit; there’s a reason attached to the decisions of ‘transfer requests’…

Not taking it as condesending at all.

Just for clarity, you mean they would have to pay him his entire contract, even if he leaves a year in? Sorry, just can't believe that till I see it, no offense at all intended.

Demichelis must have got some hell of a bonus having never kicked a ball for athletico.

 

[CityBluez]

This should be sorted soon . If negotiations don't speed up after cucurella has put transfer request, it's likely never going to happen.

 

[lee one pen]

Not taking it as condesending at all.

Just for clarity, you mean they would have to pay him his entire contract, even if he leaves a year in? Sorry, just can't believe that till I see it, no offense at all intended.

Demichelis must have got some hell of a bonus having never kicked a ball for athletico.

It’s not the wages mate. An agreed fee will have been sorted when he signed.

 

[simon23]

Nobody really wins in this. At christmas if you did come back for him if he hasnt gone he will still have 3 and half years on his contract and i think Bloom will still stick with the price he wants. Risky move if it was me i would be sorting out a deal now, but its his money.

We will win in this as if we walk away we will find a player who to play left back and you will be left with a very pissed off player......other players (and agents) will take note and take according action....insisting on release clauses (which did Villa no good as it made our job even easier) or just not signing for Brighton at all

Look at what has happened at Spurs...all the dickhead pundits laud Levy as some shrewd and tough businessman....but where exactly has it got spurs in the last decade or two?....fucking nowhere....Look at how many World class players go there.....they don't even consider it......yet they are supposed to be one of the big London clubs.....but everyone and their agents know Levy is a prick and if they want to leave they will have trouble

Then look at our approach to signing players or selling them....we never stand in ANY players way if they want to leave.....this summer being a case in point where we have just sold 3 players to potential rivals (well Chelski at least) and not once attempted to block this..This sends a msg to the likes of players like Haaland that if he comes he can also leave when he wants....what we do is then create a type of environment where players DONT want to leave....

Make no mistake about it......you keep Cucurella you lose....you lose out on somewhere inbetween 40-50m pounds where if you chariman is as good as they say he could then spend wisely.....and you could potentially improve your squad by getting players who WANT to be there...or you keep a pissed off player.....and what message does that also send to other players in the squad who might have ambitions of playing champs league etc now or in the future?

 

[simon23]

Agreed to a certain extent. It will be a compromise as the player has played his hand. Fair play to him.

thats what common sense should dictate but you never know with people like Bloom/Levy...its about power and their own ego....not about the club and therefore common sense goes out the window

 

[Coatigan]

Exactly, mate

I think what’s being missed here is what people determine as ‘bonuses’, for example, projections around where the team finishes or appearances in a seasons can’t be dismissed, despite it being a prediction, therefore it has to be honoured, these are fundamentals of current contracts!

But he is no longer contracted to that team. So none of those apply. He would then get his bonuses from us, who his contract is with.

If it was like that it would be more profitable for players to move every year. 4 moves in 4 years, 20 years of bonuses. on top of your wages. No chance that is a thing.

 

[asahartford1]

We will win in this as if we walk away we will find a player who to play left back and you will be left with a very pissed off player......other players (and agents) will take note and take according action....insisting on release clauses (which did Villa no good as it made our job even easier) or just not signing for Brighton at all

Look at what has happened at Spurs...all the dickhead pundits laud Levy as some shrewd and tough businessman....but where exactly has it got spurs in the last decade or two?....fucking nowhere....Look at how many World class players go there.....they don't even consider it......yet they are supposed to be one of the big London clubs.....but everyone and their agents know Levy is a prick and if they want to leave they will have trouble

Then look at our approach to signing players or selling them....we never stand in ANY players way if they want to leave.....this summer being a case in point where we have just sold 3 players to potential rivals (well Chelski at least) and not once attempted to block this..This sends a msg to the likes of players like Haaland that if he comes he can also leave when he wants....what we do is then create a type of environment where players DONT want to leave....

Make no mistake about it......you keep Cucurella you lose....you lose out on somewhere inbetween 40-50m pounds where if you chariman is as good as they say he could then spend wisely.....and you could potentially improve your squad by getting players who WANT to be there...or you keep a pissed off player.....and what message does that also send to other players in the squad who might have ambitions of playing champs league etc now or in the future?

You need to get that device sorted. The full stop key has hiccups.. hiccups.

 

[lee one pen]

But he is no longer contracted to that team. So none of those apply. He would then get his bonuses from us, who his contract is with.

If it was like that it would be more profitable for players to move every year. 4 moves in 4 years, 20 years of bonuses. on top of your wages. No chance that is a thing.

Lukaku mate, the most expensive footballer in history.

 

[flobo]

But he is no longer contracted to that team. So none of those apply. He would then get his bonuses from us, who his contract is with.

If it was like that it would be more profitable for players to move every year. 4 moves in 4 years, 20 years of bonuses. on top of your wages. No chance that is a thing.

It's like part of his signing fee spread over length of contract...

 

[Keepingthefaithsince1976]

I said EVEN IF its 50m......

Why?

We could easily get 8-9 years out of him....a top class fullback who has been trained in Peps way of playing since he ws young and who already has the experience in this league.

Who gives a fuck about the price..its not our money:
The ONLY reason some people care is because opposition fans attempt to use it against us...like it matters when we are counting trophies and success and all they are counting is excuses...its like they are thinking they are getting one over on us if we go to 50m...and some people are falling for that.....They arent getting anything over us...we are getting a player they desperately want to keep and they are desperately trying to soften the blow (and failing).....they also have to use that money wisely to strengthen and all they are doing is keeping on inflating the market which is always going to be detrimental to clubs like Brighton......

They will need a great deal of luck to strengthen their squad (which will be significanly weakened) with just 50m quid in the markey they are now inflating and every team they go to will now know what money they have in their back pocket...so will charge accordingly

While we are laughing our tits off and creating a legacy....

Fuck em

The more money City save the cheaper the tickets....in theory anyway.

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

Not taking it as condesending at all.

Just for clarity, you mean they would have to pay him his entire contract, even if he leaves a year in? Sorry, just can't believe that till I see it, no offense at all intended.

Demichelis must have got some hell of a bonus having never kicked a ball for athletico.

There are bonuses within a basic, mate, as I alluded, appearance’s, league positions or even trophies, I’m not talking salary but add ons, they won’t equate to the core salary but as they are incentive based, the player has every right to see them honoured, if not seeking a move, it’s been done for years!

 

[lee one pen]

This should be sorted soon . If negotiations don't speed up after cucurella has put transfer request, it's likely never going to happen.

If Cucca has just added £4m to our bid, we can’t be to far away mate.

 

[Coatigan]

It’s not the wages mate. An agreed fee will have been sorted when he signed.

I am talking about bonuses, loyalty bonuses in particular.

It is a sum that used to be paid at the End of a player's contract, to encourage them to stay. It is often split over the length of the contract, if a player leaves, they get what they have accrued till then, but no more beyond that.

That is why players sometimes wait around on an agreed move, to collect thay year's bonus.


A legal precedent was actually set for this, when Neymar tried to sue Barcelona that they were due his loyalty bonus and the court ruled that they were not, as his contract was ended when he joined PSG.


Until someone can show me otherwise, that is all I know, and all I believe.

 

[simon23]

The more money City save the cheaper the tickets....in theory anyway.

in theory.....

well in fact energy companies are posting the biggest profits ever and prices are still set yo go up 70 per cent

So I wouldnt hold my breath on that one

 

[lee one pen]

I am talking about bonuses, loyalty bonuses in particular.

It is a sum that used to be paid at the End of a player's contract, to encourage them to stay. It is often split over the length of the contract, if a player leaves, they get what they have accrued till then, but no more beyond that.

That is why players sometimes wait around on an agreed move, to collect thay year's bonus.


A legal precedent was actually set for this, when Neymar tried to sue Barcelona that they were due his loyalty bonus and the court ruled that they were not, as his contract was ended when he joined PSG.


Until someone can show me otherwise, that is all I know, and all I believe.

Part of the £198m that psg paid, cover his loyalty bonuses mate. If you take the bonus payments out, the transfer fee is lower. Agents have done this for years.