Marc Cucurella

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I doubt this saga is over just yet. It all depends on the attitude of Cucurella going forward.

If he accepts the situation then it will be off. If not then Brighton would be very naive to not negotiate.

I don’t think we will move much if at all on whatever our valuation is and I don’t think we should do.

Sometimes as one door closes another opens and it works out for the better

Who knows JWE may turn out to be perfect without having to deal with any great expectations
 
moomba said:
It's not the £5m we might save now, its the £5m clubs will tack on to every transfer knowing we'll fold every time.
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Not necessarily.
moomba said:
It's not the £5m we might save now, its the £5m clubs will tack on to every transfer knowing we'll fold every time.
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Each transaction is its own animal. We may have played ourselves into this one by letting Zinchenko go first even though personally I consider the two decisions to be mutually independent of one another from City's perspective. I have to admit it created the opportunity to be leveraged a bit by Brighton.
 
Complex Simplicity said:
It depends what you determine as value. If we didn't have a lack of full backs and going into a world cup season, I'd have agreed with you. For that reason he does represent value. We are in desperate need of a full back, unless JWE/Lewis turn into superstars this season.
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value does not work like that. there are 10s of factors that go into making a valuation. squad need is just a small part. besides we are not desperate for cucurella, he has many substitute targets. he has low long term staying ability compared to the english guys. has no marketing ability. no new market segment reached. new sponsorship opportunity is low. relative squad strength is high. etc, etc. in short cucurella is a not a unique market opportunity nor are we desperate so we do not value him at 50 mil.
 
Gully said:
….or you have. Tell him (via his agent) to hand in a request………you now have a greater obligation to see it through ‍♂️
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In what way do we have any obligation? If we step out we save 50m and Brighton are left with a player who doesn't want to be there, resents the club from stopping his transfer, and probably plays at 100 percent instead of 110 percent.

City don't get the LB but we've done that before and still win.

It's just a bad path for it to go down for Brighton and for the player.
 
Brighton perspective here, no hate intended at all:

Man City have their valuation, Brighton have their valuation, they are allowed to be different. Cucurella is absolutely worth at least £50m to Brighton based on his season, contract and age. Is he worth that to Man City? Not my place to say, but in my opinion he is one of few known quantities around Europe that would fit into Man City's fullback role like a glove. His LCB ability fits in perfectly with being able to play with Cancelo at RB who gets his free roaming into midfield, Cucurella tucking in more often than not to ensure defensive soundness.

Whether Man City/Pep/Txiki will see that as being worth £50m+ is up to them, but from my POV if I were a City fan I would be absolutely gagging to have Cucurella come in as I think he is a step up from Zinchenko. If he is able to replicate Brighton form for Man City, that for 5+ years is easily worth the money in my opinion.

At the end of the day, Cucurella is fighting for a Spain spot and moving to the best team in the country (and possibly the world) is a very good way to stake your claim for a starting spot at the World Cup. No Brighton fan is demanding he stays, just that he leaves for a fair price.

Let's not kid ourselves that this negotiation has any bearing on the future by the way. If City pay up, it doesn't mean in the future they are weaker, they simply met an asking price that isn't extortionate (Maguire, Pepe) and Brighton aren't a less attractive prospect for players just because they are valuing Cucurella at more than £40m.
 
leo_city said:
Brighton are simply a selling club, if they don't sell him now, they will sell him next summer, no notable player is going to their club to compete unless it's for development and experience sake. We should look at alternatives
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So they get to keep him another season and get the fee they want if he performs well, I don't blame them one bit for keeping hold of their best players.
 
Cancelo, Walker and Zinchenko. That setup barely got City past last season.

Cancelo, Walker alone, that’s just asking for problems. Hopefully City do a “Dias” and move for an option swiftly.

Ps. I don’t count Esbrand as he’s barely played 5 senior games. He’s fourth choice at best.
 
Hoping this saga isn’t over yet , as I think Cucurella would have been perfect.

It’s going to be awkward for him , after trying to force this move , claiming he is unhappy and handing in a transfer request.

I’d have been willing to pay around £42 million for him. What happens next is up to Cucu - im hoping he keeps pushing for the move you never know.
 
DeBlueLou said:
Cancelo, Walker and Zinchenko. That setup barely got City past last season.

Cancelo, Walker alone, that’s just asking for problems. Hopefully City do a “Dias” and move for an option swiftly.

Ps. I don’t count Esbrand as he’s barely played 5 senior games. He’s fourth choice at best.
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Ake will also fill in at left-back
 
When you consider what we have made in sales, it seems ludicrous that we wouldn’t be paying the £50m. However, you could look at the sales and wonder if we really needed the cash to balance the books?

When the club only makes a profit of £2.4m on a turnover of £570m, it shows there isn’t a lot of leeway. When you throw a signing like Haaland into the mix, it will likely mean that sacrifices need to be made elsewhere. Getting the Sterling money and his wages off the books will have helped a lot but we are probably still trying to be careful. That being said, if money is tight, we might have been better just holding on to Zin.
 
JewelZee said:
I don't have the time nor the desire to tell you in detail how far off the mark your first paragraph is.

Assuming we didn't scout Cucurella YEARS earlier also reflects poorly on your credibility, although I'd like to think you know better and are just talking out of frustration.

Where I do agree with you wholeheartedly is that a failure to come to terms over 10 mil for a player we obviously like a lot for me would constitute a failure on our behalf.

I've stated myself that Bloom has played the part of an amateur in terms of his handling of the situation. And while I do agree this could harm Brighton over the long haul, I genuinely don't give a fuck about Brighton. I care about City. I'm finding it more and more difficult to reconcile us losing out on this guy over 10 mil. I see this as a find a way to get it done scenario, not a walk away scenario. JMO.
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Totally agree that a failure to find a deal for a position we clearly need to fill if the difference is just £10m would be a failure on our side.

Txiki, Omar and Ferran are paid the money they are to find a way in these scenarios.

That said - there’s nothing to suggest we’re walking away.

If anything, taking that Brighton mouthpiece bloke at face value (which is a mistake, in my book), it’s them who are refusing to engage with City’s attempts to find a deal. That suggests we’re very much at the table - but Brighton are refusing to play.

Having said all of that, it’s just pure bluff and bluster anyway. He’s nothing more than Tony Bloom’s PR operation - paid to keep his man in the news.

I suspect it’s all a bluff, and I still think we’ll find a deal.

Not to would be a complete fuck up on both sides now - like you say.
 
decmancity said:
Ill come back to you in a few weeks.

25m is what I read. If its 35m then even more reason to be pissed off. Why havent you spent it?
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Our ceo said the price was higher than intitially reported due to spurs wanting to keep it quiet so I reckon it’s around £35m but who knows . The transfer window is still open but I think that we feel like we can replace bissouma internally with Macallister
 
I’m awaiting an update from Fab before we properly know where the transfer is at. It’s one source , nobody else is reporting this other than Naylor.
 
Bluewars said:
All the players in our squad were already known and playing for top clubs before we bought them (bar Zinchenko & Jesus) we don't unearth gems, that's what a world class scouting system does.

We currently find ourselves haggling over 10million for a LB who could have been scouted a year earlier. With all our Spanish/La Masia connections why wasn't Cucurella scouted before going to Brighton.
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Bud
City are not at a level where we can develop potential in the first team.
We let others do that who are not under as much pressure to win every week.
Then pay that bit extra when they have proven themselves
 
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