Marcos Lopes

The Fat el Hombre said:
BlueindianNewcity said:
Hope he does not become another Sturridge.

What makes you worry he might?

Just cant really understand how he will get more chances next season. Even if one our forwards or wingers are sold, they are likely to be replaced by world class talent. I just hope he gets a good loan deal next year, say wigan, comes back season after and becomes an important part of squad.<br /><br />-- Wed Apr 02, 2014 6:57 pm --<br /><br />
SuperMario's Fireworks. said:
BlueindianNewcity said:
Hope he does not become another Sturridge.

What do you mean?
Not getting enough chances at city, moves to other club and comes back to haunt us in our title race..like what sturridge is doing now.
 
BlueindianNewcity said:
The Fat el Hombre said:
BlueindianNewcity said:
Hope he does not become another Sturridge.

What makes you worry he might?

Just cant really understand how he will get more chances next season. Even if one our forwards or wingers are sold, they are likely to be replaced by world class talent. I just hope he gets a good loan deal next year, say wigan, comes back season after and becomes an important part of squad.

-- Wed Apr 02, 2014 6:57 pm --

SuperMario's Fireworks. said:
BlueindianNewcity said:
Hope he does not become another Sturridge.

What do you mean?
Not getting enough chances at city, moves to other club and comes back to haunt us in our title race..like what sturridge is doing now.
He's barely turned 18, what's the rush? As long as he's developing and getting better he's got another 3 or 4 years before he needs to start establishing himself in our first team. If he turns out not quite good enough, we'll get some money for him and the next in line will have a chance.

He has so much time, nothing to worry about.
 
pee dubya said:
BlueindianNewcity said:
The Fat el Hombre said:
What makes you worry he might?

Just cant really understand how he will get more chances next season. Even if one our forwards or wingers are sold, they are likely to be replaced by world class talent. I just hope he gets a good loan deal next year, say wigan, comes back season after and becomes an important part of squad.

-- Wed Apr 02, 2014 6:57 pm --

SuperMario's Fireworks. said:
What do you mean?
Not getting enough chances at city, moves to other club and comes back to haunt us in our title race..like what sturridge is doing now.
He's barely turned 18, what's the rush? As long as he's developing and getting better he's got another 3 or 4 years before he needs to start establishing himself in our first team. If he turns out not quite good enough, we'll get some money for him and the next in line will have a chance.

He has so much time, nothing to worry about.
I really hope that is the case with him. What worries me is, normally players who are considered to be future stars starts playing alot if not regularly by the time they are 18-19. But at the moment he is not near enough our squad. I think he has that belief, that he is good enough. So he will be expecting playing time in first team soon. And I think we cant think upto 3-4 years, 2 years at the most.
 
BlueindianNewcity said:
pee dubya said:
BlueindianNewcity said:
Just cant really understand how he will get more chances next season. Even if one our forwards or wingers are sold, they are likely to be replaced by world class talent. I just hope he gets a good loan deal next year, say wigan, comes back season after and becomes an important part of squad.

-- Wed Apr 02, 2014 6:57 pm --


Not getting enough chances at city, moves to other club and comes back to haunt us in our title race..like what sturridge is doing now.
He's barely turned 18, what's the rush? As long as he's developing and getting better he's got another 3 or 4 years before he needs to start establishing himself in our first team. If he turns out not quite good enough, we'll get some money for him and the next in line will have a chance.

He has so much time, nothing to worry about.
I really hope that is the case with him. What worries me is, normally players who are considered to be future stars starts playing alot if not regularly by the time they are 18-19. But at the moment he is not near enough our squad. I think he has that belief, that he is good enough. So he will be expecting playing time in first team soon. And I think we cant think upto 3-4 years, 2 years at the most.
Well the stakes are getting higher and higher, young players will play less of a role at the top clubs until they're truly ready to make an impact. The likes of Messi and Ronaldo are not only from a different generation now, but exceptions even from their time. Even with all our academy investment i'd be extremely surprised if we ever get players at such a young age being regular fixtures in our first team. The development path will be more like, the base education and skills will come from the academy and youth teams, but the experience will be gained at other clubs and in other leagues, then they'll be brought back when the time is right. Because we don't have B teams in this league, players are going to have to spend time away from the club at some point.

I also reckon that players are going to be playing for longer and longer, with medical advancements and the science and professionalism in the modern game, i think players still playing at the top level at 35 will become not uncommon in the near future. Letting young players develop physically before putting too much strain on them is probably a good thing and will help stop storing up trouble for later on.
 
He'll be in the squad next season, this year is just too early for Pellegrini to start playing young players. We've been learning his system this year and he's been under pressure to get off to a good start, so next season will allow a lot more room for blooding the youth.

Lopes is essentially the poster boy for our academy, the example for others to follow, so I wouldn't worry about him getting gametime, the board will pretty much demand it.
 
The impatience of football fans frustrate me with youngsters. Not in the team at 18, not good enough.

Iniesta didn't play regularly for Barcelona till he was 21.
 
I think a loan move to somewhere like Everton next season if they don't get Delfeou again and Barkley leaves. He's proved he can be a useful player for us already but a year in the prem at a good side could be amazing for him.
 
g180aj said:
I think a loan move to somewhere like Everton next season if they don't get Delfeou again and Barkley leaves. He's proved he can be a useful player for us already but a year in the prem at a good side could be amazing for him.

Everton would be the only team in the Premier League that I would send Marcos on loan to.

Forget the Championship in my opinion, I think he is good enough to test himself in a top flight league.

Everton, Spain, or to a potential team in Portgual we are apparently looking to invest in.
 
sam-caddick said:
g180aj said:
I think a loan move to somewhere like Everton next season if they don't get Delfeou again and Barkley leaves. He's proved he can be a useful player for us already but a year in the prem at a good side could be amazing for him.

Everton would be the only team in the Premier League that I would send Marcos on loan to.

Forget the Championship in my opinion, I think he is good enough to test himself in a top flight league.

Everton, Spain, or to a potential team in Portgual we are apparently looking to invest in.

Uwe at Wigan if they hypothetically get promoted?

But I get your point to be honest, there really isn't a club or manager I'd trust to play our lads and give them a fair chance, Guidetti has actually looked decent for stoke when he's come on (only need look at their forums to confirm it) and yet can't get more than the odd 10 minutes a month. Unless a team is absolutely desperate in a position we shouldn't look at the prem.
 
MC ID said:
sam-caddick said:
g180aj said:
I think a loan move to somewhere like Everton next season if they don't get Delfeou again and Barkley leaves. He's proved he can be a useful player for us already but a year in the prem at a good side could be amazing for him.

Everton would be the only team in the Premier League that I would send Marcos on loan to.

Forget the Championship in my opinion, I think he is good enough to test himself in a top flight league.

Everton, Spain, or to a potential team in Portgual we are apparently looking to invest in.

Uwe at Wigan if they hypothetically get promoted?

But I get your point to be honest, there really isn't a club or manager I'd trust to play our lads and give them a fair chance, Guidetti has actually looked decent for stoke when he's come on (only need look at their forums to confirm it) and yet can't get more than the odd 10 minutes a month. Unless a team is absolutely desperate in a position we shouldn't look at the prem.

The other side of loaning youngsters out is to develop a group of trusted managers within clubs where we have strong relationships. This benefits the loan/development system as well as the first team. How many times did the opposition fail to turn up against Utd when they had so many Utd based loan players or links with the Swamp. There were certain fixtures that I couldn't even hope they had any chance of losing.
 
Given the game they play,and the probable need for a Lallana replacement,Southampton could be a great destination for him.
 
SaddleworthBlueRhino said:
MC ID said:
sam-caddick said:
Everton would be the only team in the Premier League that I would send Marcos on loan to.

Forget the Championship in my opinion, I think he is good enough to test himself in a top flight league.

Everton, Spain, or to a potential team in Portgual we are apparently looking to invest in.

Uwe at Wigan if they hypothetically get promoted?

But I get your point to be honest, there really isn't a club or manager I'd trust to play our lads and give them a fair chance, Guidetti has actually looked decent for stoke when he's come on (only need look at their forums to confirm it) and yet can't get more than the odd 10 minutes a month. Unless a team is absolutely desperate in a position we shouldn't look at the prem.

The other side of loaning youngsters out is to develop a group of trusted managers within clubs where we have strong relationships. This benefits the loan/development system as well as the first team. How many times did the opposition fail to turn up against Utd when they had so many Utd based loan players or links with the Swamp. There were certain fixtures that I couldn't even hope they had any chance of losing.
Except that Utd based loan players wouldn't have been allowed to play against them. I'm sorry but that's just agenda based bollocks.
And are you really suggesting that us loaning players to other PL teams would make it easier to claim the points against them? That's a seriously crap thought.
 
ColinLee said:
But I get your point to be honest, there really isn't a club or manager I'd trust to play our lads and give them a fair chance, Guidetti has actually looked decent for stoke when he's come on (only need look at their forums to confirm it) and yet can't get more than the odd 10 minutes a month. Unless a team is absolutely desperate in a position we shouldn't look at the prem.


The other side of loaning youngsters out is to develop a group of trusted managers within clubs where we have strong relationships. This benefits the loan/development system as well as the first team. How many times did the opposition fail to turn up against Utd when they had so many Utd based loan players or links with the Swamp. There were certain fixtures that I couldn't even hope they had any chance of losing.

It actually isnt if you think about it. Everton have loaned Barry and Lukaku for this season and they have arguably been their best players. Do you think it is easier for Chelsea to beat Everton without their main striker or us without their main midfielder of course it is

The loan system is flawed and it should be that no player can be loaned to another team in the same league and/or no player over the age of 21 can go on loan
 
chesterguy said:
ColinLee said:
SaddleworthBlueRhino said:
The other side of loaning youngsters out is to develop a group of trusted managers within clubs where we have strong relationships. This benefits the loan/development system as well as the first team. How many times did the opposition fail to turn up against Utd when they had so many Utd based loan players or links with the Swamp. There were certain fixtures that I couldn't even hope they had any chance of losing.
Except that Utd based loan players wouldn't have been allowed to play against them. I'm sorry but that's just agenda based bollocks.
And are you really suggesting that us loaning players to other PL teams would make it easier to claim the points against them? That's a seriously crap thought.

It actually isnt if you think about it. Everton have loaned Barry and Lukaku for this season and they have arguably been their best players. Do you think it is easier for Chelsea to beat Everton without their main striker or us without their main midfielder of course it is

The loan system is flawed and it should be that no player can be loaned to another team in the same league and/or no player over the age of 21 can go on loan
Your scenario does have merit but that isn't what SaddleworthBlueRhino was claiming, he was claiming (at least seems to be claiming) that united were given a free pass against sides with united loanees or players with past links with the club. As said the loanees couldn't have played anyway and would not have any influence on the other players and just because a player has a past history with them doesn't mean they'll bend over for them. That is just bollocks.
 

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