Martin Demichelis

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Hes not great at the back and in CM was worse. I know we are short but insanity to play 4-4-2 with MD in CM.

Other than Vinnie, our CB options arent great, Nasty looks well off it, Lescott plays like he has mines under his feet all game & MD looks like making a mistake alot of the time, although i'd say he is ahead in pecking order for CB alongside Vinnie.
 
feedthegloat said:
Demichellis was so out of his depth in the middle of midfield against the class of their midfield it was embarrassing. He can't be blamed for being asked to do a job he isn't capable of, the blame there must lie with Pelle. But for anyone to say he was out 'best' player is beyond belief. He was constantly a yard behind play, chasing shadows, doing his usual dive in and win every one in three. When Hazard beat him, DM walked, Hazard continued his run, picked the ball up again and assisted in the goal. So so out of his depth.

He was chasing shadows because he was trying to deal with up to three players at a time. If Luiz or Matic had played for us and MDM played for Chelsea, then MDM would have looked better.

If Matic was good, how come Yaya came close to scoring three times? If Luiz is so good, how come Silva came close to scoring 3 goals?
 
gangerolv said:
Worst performace i have ever seen of a city player.

people defending him must have their head checked

You clearly don't remember Jo
 
Matty said:
gangerolv said:
Worst performace i have ever seen of a city player.

people defending him must have their head checked

That statement is stunning in it's idiocy, unless of course you've only been a City fan for about 5 minutes........

It wasn't even worst performance of the night, let alone ever.
 
Blue Punter said:
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Blue Punter said:
What about the tackle he missed on Hazard on the left, which led to the goal?


Seriously?

Hazard is delivering the ball from the right when Demichelis is on the other side of the pitch.

Nastasic is at fault for allowing Hazard to put the ball across.

Watch the build up to the goal again.

Long hopeful punt up field to Hazard on the left touchline. He physically holds off Demechelis and plays the ball inside. Hazard keeps moving across the full width of the pitch. Demechelis stays where he is. Hazard crosses from the right. Ivanovic scores after initial effort is blocked.


There are two further phases of play prior to the goal.

Hazard runs across the penalty box, which is when the central defence are then expected to track the run, not a central midfielder stuck in the right-back position.

The whole back line are guilty of ball watching at that stage, most importantly, Nastastic, who puts no pressure on Hazard's ball into the box.

There's a reason Mourinho spent the entire game telling Hazard to stay wide up top, and it was nothing to do with Demichelis.

Mourinho knew Zabaleta would not be able to overlap Navas as one of our most potent attacking outlets, because he would be caught between attacking and marking Hazard.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Blue Punter said:
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Best man in a City shirt last night and just goes to show how many people really know fuck all about football.

He never let anybody down and made every tackle asked of him.
The whole system failed because simply put, it only works when Fernandinho is at the heart of it.

Demichelis has excellent technique, kept the ball moving and attempted to put out fires all night.

It's become a convenient stick to beat him with.

Demichelis is no Fernandinho, a player who drives forward and has the capacity to run all day.

He covers for Yaya and does the work of two other players.

It's no coincidence the last time we lost at Sunderland it was because Fernandinho was also missing.

What about the tackle he missed on Hazard on the left, which led to the goal?


Seriously?

Hazard is delivering the ball from the right when Demichelis is on the other side of the pitch.

Nastasic is at fault for allowing Hazard to put the ball across.


Sorry Tolmie, but to your view on Demichelis last night has me questioning what game you actually saw.

I don't lay blame totally on MD as he is no Fernandinho in the middle of the park but as another poster has said, he did miss a number of badly timed tackles, was too often out of position (a point GN and JG pointed out on MNF) and he could have easily been sent off for a second yellow (the De Jong Karate Kick a point in case). Admittedly, I didn't see another player capable of starting the game in place of Fernandihno, but DM was not our best player last night.

We actually looked the most dangerous on the wings, Navas & Kolorov and I'm struggling to think of any other game where a team creates 25 chances and they have lost. At the end of the day nobody could hit the target last night. We were lucky Chelsea hit the woodwork 3 times but we could have still won that game even with that dreary performance.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Matty said:
gangerolv said:
Worst performace i have ever seen of a city player.

people defending him must have their head checked

That statement is stunning in it's idiocy, unless of course you've only been a City fan for about 5 minutes........

It wasn't even worst performance of the night, let alone ever.

he was pants but Nastasic was as bad, as was Dzeko. Silva also poor.
 
tonethestone said:
Chippy_boy said:
Matty said:
That statement is stunning in it's idiocy, unless of course you've only been a City fan for about 5 minutes........

It wasn't even worst performance of the night, let alone ever.

he was pants but Nastasic was as bad, as was Dzeko. Silva also poor.

Negredo (for whatever reason) was worse than all the above.
 
gangerolv said:
Worst performace i have ever seen of a city player.

people defending him must have their head checked
Put your chelsea shirt back on yesterday?
 
Jimbojames said:
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Blue Punter said:
What about the tackle he missed on Hazard on the left, which led to the goal?


Seriously?

Hazard is delivering the ball from the right when Demichelis is on the other side of the pitch.

Nastasic is at fault for allowing Hazard to put the ball across.


Sorry Tolmie, but to your view on Demichelis last night also has me questioning what game you saw.

I don't lay blame totally on MD as he is no Fernandinho in the middle of the park but as another poster has said, he did miss a number of badly timed tackles, was too often out of position (a point GN and JG pointed out on MNF) and he could have easily been sent off for a second yellow (the De Jong Karate Kick a point in case). Admittedly, I didn't see another player capable of starting the game in place of Fernandihno, but DM was not our best player last night.

We actually looked the most dangerous on the wings, Navas & Kolorov and I'm struggling to think of any other game where a team creates 25 chances and they have lost. At the end of the day nobody could hit the target last night. We were lucky Chelsea hit the woodwork 3 times but we could have still won that game even with that dreary performance.
 
No going to blame anyone, thought he did a job in his position and that was it.. The tactics didn't allow him to be comfortable and their attacking in numbers meant he couldn't do his job properly anyway. You can't make Demi a scapegoat because he was constantly completely outnumbered. Garcia, Rodwell, Milner... It really wouldn't of mattered which player played they would all of struggled last night because they simply had more players than us in that area.............
 
Jimbojames said:
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Blue Punter said:
What about the tackle he missed on Hazard on the left, which led to the goal?


Seriously?

Hazard is delivering the ball from the right when Demichelis is on the other side of the pitch.

Nastasic is at fault for allowing Hazard to put the ball across.


Sorry Tolmie, but to your view on Demichelis last night has me questioning what game you actually saw.

I don't lay blame totally on MD as he is no Fernandinho in the middle of the park but as another poster has said, he did miss a number of badly timed tackles, was too often out of position (a point GN and JG pointed out on MNF) and he could have easily been sent off for a second yellow (the De Jong Karate Kick a point in case). Admittedly, I didn't see another player capable of starting the game in place of Fernandihno, but DM was not our best player last night.

We actually looked the most dangerous on the wings, Navas & Kolorov and I'm struggling to think of any other game where a team creates 25 chances and they have lost. At the end of the day nobody could hit the target last night. We were lucky Chelsea hit the woodwork 3 times but we could have still won that game even with that dreary performance.


There were at least three tackles which Demichelis got something on which if he hadn't, would have led directly to goals.

Even the four on one, which Eto'o and Ramires manage to cock-up, Demichelis has got a crucial foot in, as the ball unlucky breaks back to a Chelsea player.

There's a reason Demichelis is in the side ahead of Lescott at centre-back, he can control the pass into midfield.

I think we have got to stage with Demichelis where a few urban myths have developed, and the media have also seized on it?

He was bought for £4m and can read the game very well. He is the only person in our entire backline who can pass the ball out of defence into midfield, without hoofing it under pressure.

It is also the reason why Pellegrini had no option but to trust him at the base of the midfield, just as he did against Watford in the second half.

Demichelis v 3/4 midfielders, top grade ones at that, I'm sorry, but for me, he did not let anybody down.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Best man in a City shirt last night and just goes to show how many people really know fuck all about football.

He never let anybody down and made every tackle asked of him.

The whole system failed because simply put, it only works when Fernandinho is at the heart of it.

Demichelis has excellent technique, kept the ball moving and attempted to put out fires all night.

It's become a convenient stick to beat him with.

Demichelis is no Fernandinho, a player who drives forward and has the capacity to run all day.

He covers for Yaya and does the work of two other players.

It's no coincidence the last time we lost at Sunderland it was because Fernandinho was also missing.

I have a certain sympathy with your defence of Dimichelis and I would never launch personal attacks on any player who comes to City and does his best. What you say is an honest assessment both of Dimichelis and Fernandinho. Fernandinho is a player of crucial importance to the "system" Pellers plays: Matin's best days are, unfortunately, behind him and he isn't a central midfielder, and certainly he isn't Fernandinho. My question is why Pellers chose to stick with his formation without Fernandinho, picking an unfit Negredo, rather than giving Dimichelis help/support in midfield?
 
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