[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cV_q-mVAAA[/youtube]Didsbury Dave said:The point I'm making is that if either dick makes a song and dance about blaming the other dick, then they are an even bigger dick.
Astley Lad said:Martin Samuels normally sees the bigger picture when it comes to things like this. For some reason he's taken quite a narrow view on this one.
Rooney's 2 tackles early doors were designed to stir the Man U fans up and create an atmosphere, nothing wrong with that except he should have been booked after the second challenge. He was bombarded with coins whilst taking a corner and there is no excuse for that, we moaned like fuck when Bellamy was hit by a bottle at Old Trafford, so we've got to hold our hands and say our fans were out of order. When Van Persie scored Rooney had no interest in his own fans, his only thought was to wind the City fans up (again no reason to invade the pitch or throw things) by sliding towards the East Stand. The media seems determined to ignore his actions and concentrate solely on the coin throwing incident. Man U have a number of players who are obnoxious and arrogant in their behaviour when it comes to derby matches (Evra, Rooney, Ferdinand and now Jones seems to be "up for it") and whatever anyone says, it causes trouble. What makes me laugh with these pricks is that one's a scouser, one's a cokney and one's fucking French, none of them have any allegiance to Manchester or supported Man U growing up but they act as if it's World War III.
All I ask for, as a City fan, is that incidents are dealt with consistently. I don't even care if I don't agree with the decision, as long as they apply the same rules and the same logic for each player and each club, at least then no-one can claim ignorance of the consequences. It now appears that Gareth Barry is the subject of an FA charge of using "foul and abusive" language. If that's the case and he is found guilty, then Rooney should miss half the season given the number of times he blatantly abuses match officials. Somehow I can't see that happening.
The Future's Blue said:Lost me there pal, what's a players looks etc, got to do with it?sjk2008 said:The Future's Blue said:I think the point within this statement is that 'You knew' what was going to happen. If 'You knew' then it's probably right to believe that the players also knew the situation which brings us back to the 'incitement' issue.
Throwing missiles onto the pitch needs to be addressed but if they aren't given a reason to do it, then it may just not happen.
Just a thought.
In the same way that if a player's family, chequered past and looks aren't used against someone for 90 minutes then it also may not happen.
somapop said:Supporters will be watching behind net curtains before we know it...
Thanks for clarifying. I personally have no problems with stick going either way but we are not all the same and when emotions run high then there's a good chance something is going to happen, as we've seen so many times.sjk2008 said:The Future's Blue said:Lost me there pal, what's a players looks etc, got to do with it?sjk2008 said:In the same way that if a player's family, chequered past and looks aren't used against someone for 90 minutes then it also may not happen.
Using Rooney as an example, he'd have heard insults all game from various angles about his Mrs, his Granny background, his looks (such as Shrek, his weetabix hair) etc, etc. If I'd have been on the receiving end of such constant abuse (regardless of whether some of it is true or not), then by fuck would I be up for celebrating infront of those same fans when it looks like my team have just snatched a last minute winner and I would feel entitled to do so, providing I don't go overboard such as sticking the v's up, giving out a wanker gesture or doing a 'Cantona'.
You mention this "I knew, you knew" thing. In the same way a player should know that celebrating in front of them would piss them off, fans should not be surprised to see a player give it back by celebrating in a "Haha, have a bit of that" kind of way when they've been given stick all game.
If you're man enough to verbally abuse a player from the stands and call them all names under the sun all game, you should be man enough to handle a knee slide right in front of you when his team have bagged a last minute winner, regardless of whether your belief of him is that he's a **** (which I am in no way denying).