Mason Greenwood released on bail

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Jack Hackett said:
Forget who he plays for…innocent until proven guilty
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NO. People need to stop parroting this line when they clearly don't understand what it actually means.

'Innocent until proven guilty' is a legal term which has a very specific meaning related to proceedings in a court. It means that a defendant in court does not have to walk in and actively prove their innocence - it's up to the prosecution to prove their guilt beyond all reasonable doubt. Unless the prosecuton can do so in line with the thresholds of evidence required, the default is that the defendant leaves the court free. Even then, the presumption of innocence isn't totally absolute. It does not mean that we should all walk around assuming that this guy is innocent and treating him as such. People are always able to use what is presented to them to reasonably form an opinion of the situation and react as such. It doesn't mean we have to wait for a criminal trial before criticising them or make other decisions. For example, employment law does not require the very high standards of proof that a criminal court does.

He's a scumbag and I am happy and comfortable to say so quite openly without waiting for a court case which he could plausibly escape with a technicality.
 
Too many on here still tying to blur the lines because of who he plays for or the media somehow would report this differently, which is complete bullshit.

Has nothing to do with his Club, who have seemingly acted as you would expect them to have done in a fast moving news event, certainly if they have no prior knowledge of direct previous.

If anything, the media has given this far greater prominence than perhaps they would have done if it were someone from another club, due to his high profile and being at United; coupled with the unusual access to the information in the public domain.

There is no whatabouterry called for.

Any decent member of society treats this with the absolute revulsion it deserves.
 
davealvers said:
NO. People need to stop parroting this line when they clearly don't understand what it actually means.

'Innocent until proven guilty' is a legal term which has a very specific meaning related to proceedings in a court. It means that a defendant in court does not have to walk in and actively prove their innocence - it's up to the prosecution to prove their guilt beyond all reasonable doubt. Unless the prosecuton can do so in line with the thresholds of evidence required, the default is that the defendant leaves the court free. Even then, the presumption of innocence isn't totally absolute. It does not mean that we should all walk around assuming that this guy is innocent and treating him as such. People are always able to use what is presented to them to reasonably form an opinion of the situation and react as such. It doesn't mean we have to wait for a criminal trial before criticising them or make other decisions. For example, employment law does not require the very high standards of proof that a criminal court does.

He's a scumbag and I am happy and comfortable to say so quite openly without waiting for a court case which he could plausibly escape with a technicality.
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Bravo. This **** is as guilty as they come and, if nothing else, his career is done, as he is toxic to anybody who would even dare consider taking a chance on him.

Thankfully, the evidence will speak for itself, which is why this poor girl keeping an historical record is so brave.

Irrespective of what she now does or doesn't want to do, the law of the land will dictate and that's how it should be.

I hope they bury the **** and she still takes half his money.
 
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