Matheus Nunes

[not my fault!]

To bid only once at a valuation the selling club doesn’t feel appropriate (which we knew) at this stage in the window is a strange tactic.
Does the first bid ever work, unless it’s a release clause. it didn’t with Rice, didn’t agree the first price with Paqueta. Gvardiol took a while to get an agreement.

To bid only once now seems odd.

No but you bid low knowing you usually meet somewhere in the middle, we were clearly given the nod that would be how the dancee worked but Wolves are trying to squeeze us. City don’t do that type of dealing, we danced and now the tune has changed so we are moving on to another club.
If we stay there going back and fourth then someone’s wasting their time, we don’t have that time to spare, we are a well oiled machine and don’t fuck around. We bid once, they counter, we offer a middle ground. It’s either accepted or we walk away. There’s zero benefit to going back, being rejected, going back and so on. We won’t pay the £60m as he’s not worth it, they know it and so do we. More so when he recently had a £45m release clause in his contract and we’ve offered more than that!
It makes perfect sense doing it how we do… the only reason Gvardiol is here now is due to Red Bull stepping in after we had walked. We are not a cash cow and won’t be treated as one, we have two valuations, a low ball to start it off and an actual valuation we won’t go above and that’s where we are currently.
The thing is, YOU don’t have to “get it” or “understand”, City couldn’t care less what you or me think as they know what they are doing. It’s not their first rodeo and having just won a treble Im confident we go about it the right way.

 

[wolviedinho]

Why has your tone changed suddenly? You were happy when you thought we were going to pay 60 million euros. Now you think he has done nothing for a £30 million jump?

I just don’t like the greed on show. £55m is close enough that it should be acceptable. I was mainly taking about wolves valuation of the player and the market as it stands as to why I was happy to pay the £60m. The player is caught up in it all and if we are only talking about the player, he hasn’t done anything to warrant the increase.

 

[Keeper!]

It's not when you consider he's an almost totally unremarkable player. Not saying he's bad or anything because he is good but good players are ten a penny. He's a good athlete who carries the ball incredibly well. Outside of that he's pretty limited.

The reason why we're going for him as our 4th (? 5th? 6th?) choice option is almost certainly because we thought he was attainable. Paqueta is under investigation, Rice got sold for well above his value, Bellingham chose Madrid, Eze isn't leaving Palace for anything less than £70/80m and so on.

I get your point about how we've conducted our business but it's been the same year after year. We offer what we think a player's worth and if there's no realistic compromise then we move on.

What it looks like to me is that the club know we need an extra body but we're not willing to pay the current prices for players whose individual qualities don't justify the fee.

There are no top quality options on the market and the mid tier ones are getting top tier price tags put on them. That's the reality of the situation.

As said I have not watched him to make judgement but our club has and our manager clearly likes him and did in Portugal, so what we think about him is irrelevant.

No one in any negotiation expects to have their first offer accepted, unless you're dealing with a muppet.

We are taking a risk by not signing another midfielder for me, your asking a lot of Rodri/Kovacic and the latter has had injury niggles throughout his career.

Let's hope Phillips does step up but sadly for me he is simply a player out of his depth even as a back up.

 

[Coatigan]

City and Mendes have left this kid out to dry. City have turned his head while submitting a low ball offer. Their refusal to move at all has caused this kid to get desperate. If his decision to sit works out City steals him at a low ball price. If not, oh well, City don't seem to care. And his agent is a real prick for not talking him out of sitting out.
It is a poor decision by Nunes to sit but I'm disappointed that the club would fuck with a kid's head like this. It's a bad look IMO. And his agent should be sanctioned...

Did the club ask him to refuse to train?

If he wants to gamble a week's wages on a potential move of a lifetime, call in sick with a headache, or do whatever he wants with his life, how is that a bad look for the club?

 

[Keeper!]

Yeah your right, our scouts, execs and manager make a judgment on how much the club think he is worth. They will have a maximum amount they will pay for a player. If that's not enough they move on.

Mendes will know exactly what price Wolves will sell for and advice us, so again I find our tactics slightly odd.

 

[BringBackSwales]

Not sure why there’s so much crying in here. Pep has always said he likes playing with a small squad and v last season we’ve got -

Gundogan
Mahrez
Laporte

Replaced with

Kovacic
Gvardiol
Doku

I still think Nunes will come in this week. So basically that’s 1 more senior player, with the obvious downside that KDB is injured for a few months but on the upside Palmer looks capable of delivering more than last season, and MacAtee is available and capable. Cancelo I don’t count as he wasn’t here for the second half of last season.

Also the upsides of keeping Kyle, Bernardo and Ortega, who all looked like they were leaving at one stage, is huge.

Not getting the same despondent feelings as so many in here.

 

[Tugay One Cup]

We are taking a risk by not signing another midfielder for me, your asking a lot of Rodri/Kovacic and the latter has had injury niggles throughout his career.

Completely agree with this. For me the disappointment will be in not signing a midfielder, rather than failing to sign Matheus Nunes. But I guess we'll have to see if anything happens.

 

[melrose40yarder]

Lets go the utd and chelsea way and scattergun bids all over the place.Or shall City bid what they think a players worth and if it is not good enough for the selling club walk away.

 

[Georgian Maestro]

Christ, we're not running a day nursery here..

City have every right to make an offer for a player at their valuation and Wolves have every right to turn it down. Nunes is under contract at Wolves and he should respect that and not spit the dummy.
He's a professional player and should act accordingly. If he didn't want to stay at Wolves why sign a long contract ?

City should walk away.

It's also highly likely that we have been given the nod by his own agent that the bid we submitted would be accepted.

 

[Rammy Blue]

And he was that bad the Champions of England and Europe want him, come on we complain when we are low balled for our cast offs let we not prepared to pay what other clubs want.

50/60m for Nunes in this market with four years left on his deal is not an outrageous price.

The point I am making which I simply don't understand is our negotiating tactics in this window.

Rice and now Nunes, offer sums we are fully aware that clubs won't accept and we are not prepared to increase our bids.

So why make the bids in the first place? We won't be held to ransom rightly so but playing hard ball for players that a club is prepared to sell only when their valuation is met is a strange tactic.

Exactly mate, and like I said last night, it’s utterly bizarre we expect our first bid to be accepted.