Maybe i was wrong about Elano

[BlueRockape]

More leaks designed to turn the supporters against particular players.

If he thinks the club is better off without certain people Hughes should sell them and move on, there is absolutely nothing to be gained by the character assasination that Hughes seems to indulge in. Disgraceful leadership.

And does anyone think that Elano, Jo and TBH are so influential in the dressing room if they can affect the result against West Brom, a game none of them played in.

Agreed, shocking man-management and bare-faced hypocrisy to go briefing the press when if the accused players do the same they face a fine. If they're that disruptive pay up their
contracts, we can supposedly afford it.

Why should we pay their fuckin contacts if you were a twat at work they would just point you to the door.
And if these twats had been doing their JOBS they may have been on the pitch to strenthen the side so just sell them on to anyone stupid enough to buy them. Elano has coused problems at EVERY club he has been if he hadent we wouldnt have got him.
Fuck them off and get some shirt players in

 

[Anonymous]

So when you posted his passing stats, goalscoring stats, you weren't trying to prove he was a good player? Hmmm, interesting...

No, I was trying to counter the statements made about him that were blatantly untrue.

- Only 1 in 10 passes come off. Stats will tell you that over 80% of his passes are effective.
- Done nothing for 12 months. 9 goals (can't even remember what the figure was) is more than something.

The stats are incredibly misleading...Elano's one of the most inconsistent players we have in our squad. That's a fact. The reason he got dropped. The reason he'll be sold. And the reason he won't be bought by any of the top tier clubs in Europe.

You've been on a one man crusade to defend him for the better part of two months now. I warned you way back then you were backing yourself into a corner over a player who simply wasn't good enough and wasn't worth it...ahh well. Keep fighting the good fight.

 

[mancity1]

So when you posted his passing stats, goalscoring stats, you weren't trying to prove he was a good player? Hmmm, interesting...

No, I was trying to counter the statements made about him that were blatantly untrue.

- Only 1 in 10 passes come off. Stats will tell you that over 80% of his passes are effective.
- Done nothing for 12 months. 9 goals (can't even remember what the figure was) is more than something.

He is good when he is allowed to be Moomba , unfortunately sides know how to combat him and upset him and he becomes ineffectual , infact he becomes a liability then.

Unfortunately we need grafters now Moomba , to think otherwise is deluding yourself and Elano is not a grafter.

2 points above 20th and its over half way , its nose to the grindstone stuff now end of story.

If and when we are sufficiently clear of the bottom three we can look at playing players that have a bit of flair about them.

 

[forevermancity]

all 3/4 of them can go for me now, bored of it all.

love elano, he claims to love the club but isnt willing to show it.

Good luck to Elano
Fuck off TBH
Not bothered about Jo
Ball, model pro apparently, he has shown he is far from that

 

[pominoz]

yes,hang them out to dry.they profess to be professional footballers,and crack the sads because the new boss makes them work for their Ks per week.how can his performance be crap when a large part of his small squad are not putting in?
ship them out,get rid.

Will criticising them in public make us play better?

Do you think that our problems this season have been limited to players not working hard enough (same players less Robinho, SWP, Kompany finished 9th last season).

Are you prepared to absolve Hughes of any blame whatsoever? Did lack of work make him select Gelson at RB, LM, bring on Hamann at 2-2 against 10 man Newcastle etc.

in answer to your questions,
#1-yes,it sends a message that he is the boss and if you dont perform,you go.as it should be.
#2-yes again,with the exception of Ireland.you do rember the last half of last season?
#3-no,huges has made mistakes while getting his head around a new squad.who would'nt? he is/was working with a team where half of them went on strike because "nice guy swen" was on his way out.
my opinion,mate.will not change.

 

[brooklandsblue2.0]

goodbye Elano, I will remember you for two goals you scored early last season. Ever since then you have pranced about, been anonymous (particulary away from home) and had the atitude of someone who does not care about our club.

Make sure the door doesn't hit your arse on the way out.

 

[mancity1]

Will criticising them in public make us play better?

Do you think that our problems this season have been limited to players not working hard enough (same players less Robinho, SWP, Kompany finished 9th last season).

Are you prepared to absolve Hughes of any blame whatsoever? Did lack of work make him select Gelson at RB, LM, bring on Hamann at 2-2 against 10 man Newcastle etc.

in answer to your questions,
#1-yes,it sends a message that he is the boss and if you dont perform,you go.as it should be.
#2-yes again,with the exception of Ireland.you do rember the last half of last season?
#3-no,huges has made mistakes while getting his head around a new squad.who would'nt? he is/was working with a team where half of them went on strike because "nice guy swen" was on his way out.
my opinion,mate.will not change.

Hughes tactics were terrible against Newcastle Moomna but the players were shocking as well , we cannot defend a 1-0 lead it seems and we all know it but we should never have allowed them to score two goals when down to 10 men.

We had two effective shots on goal in the second half of that match and that was in the 84th and 86th minute after which both sides decided 2-2 was good enough.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Will criticising them in public make us play better?

Do you think that our problems this season have been limited to players not working hard enough (same players less Robinho, SWP, Kompany finished 9th last season).

This "We finished 9th last season" stuff you keep trotting out. Well we obviously did but it was a season of 2 halves, 35 points in the first half and 20 in the second. To give you a further breakdown we got 22 points in the first 10 games then 3 wins from the next 10.

We didn't have Robinho but we did have Elano playing well for those 10 games & Geovanni. We didn't have SWP but we had Petrov. We didn't have Kompany but Hamann was playing well. We didn't have Ireland but we had Johnson for the first third of the season.

Elano stopped playing, Johnson got injured and Sven wouldn't play Geovanni. Our form in the second half of last season was slightly worse than the first half of this season (20 points against 21) and Sven had brought in eight players in the summer plus another two in the January window. That's ten new players in all, eight of who had half a season to bed in.

So was Sven a bad manager? Or was it that the players he had to work with weren't really good enough?

 

[The Fat el Hombre]

So when you posted his passing stats, goalscoring stats, you weren't trying to prove he was a good player? Hmmm, interesting...

No, I was trying to counter the statements made about him that were blatantly untrue.

- Only 1 in 10 passes come off. Stats will tell you that over 80% of his passes are effective.
- Done nothing for 12 months. 9 goals (can't even remember what the figure was) is more than something.

They are clearly only figures of speech that only someone as pedantic as yourself would pick up on

And lol, it took you a good few pages but the stats are finally here

 

[scall11]

I don't think Hughes has gone to the press with this. It's probably one of the coaching staff, who are loyal to Hughes and are fed up with Hughes getting all the blame for the recent run of results. I think they probably think it's time that the truth came out, so people realised that it's not Hughes' fault.

Same with this meeting Hughes apparently had with Cook and Aldridge after the game on Saturday. None of the three people at the meeting would have said anything to the press, it's not their style. I reckon it's more likely it was secondary party who was told about what happened in the meeting, and mentioned it to someone from the press, in the hope that 'the truth will out'.

And I think it's probably the right way to go about it. Because at the end of the day, it was leaked for a reason, the leekee hoping that something good will come of it. That good being the dismissal of the players involved (rightly so if they're being disruptive), and an explanation to the fans as to why they've been sold. They probably also hoped that Hughes reputation would improve if they realised the shit he's putting up with from the players. Take for instance this report about one of the players laughing and joking after the result - that had to have come from a player or coaching staff.

We're in a period of major re-adjustment after Sven. The two managers are so vastly different, that some players will not be able to keep up with it, and if they can't fit in, they should go basically. Because Hughes is here to stay by the looks of it, and if you can't get along with him or work with him, then you have to go. All these leaks, especially during the transfer window, seem to be part of the plan to get rid of the flaky ones to clear their lockers for the ones Hughes wants.

 

[Da7thson]

I hope it's not true about Elano as last season he was magical to watch, and definatly one of the stars of the season.

If it is true however, i think we should just pay up his and the other trouble makers contracts and send them packing, don't even wait for them to be bought, we've got the cash to kill this off now before the next game.

 

[avoidconfusion]

I hope it's not true about Elano as last season he was magical to watch, and definatly one of the stars of the season.

If it is true however, i think we should just pay up his and the other trouble makers contracts and send them packing, don't even wait for them to be bought, we've got the cash to kill this off now before the next game.

To be honest he was magical in the first half of the season (at best) because the opposition simply did not know what he can do if you ignore him.

Once they figured out that you just have to harass him a bit he became pretty pale.

 

[el blue]

I hope it's not true about Elano as last season he was magical to watch, and definatly one of the stars of the season.

If it is true however, i think we should just pay up his and the other trouble makers contracts and send them packing, don't even wait for them to be bought, we've got the cash to kill this off now before the next game.

that'd be Hughes then.

 

[DontLookBackInAnger]

The more this goes on the more I hate Hughes, maybe it's not Hughes, but if it isn't then it's one of the coaching staff(and if you remember he replaced everyone)and for those of you that say "ohhhh well it might not be anything to do with him" it's easy if it happened to the rags you can bet the editor of the paper would get a ring and the reporter would be in that Scottish low lives office the following morning.

 

[moomba]

The stats are incredibly misleading...Elano's one of the most inconsistent players we have in our squad. That's a fact. The reason he got dropped. The reason he'll be sold. And the reason he won't be bought by any of the top tier clubs in Europe.

I think you're reading a bit much into the stats. What I'm saying is that he gets more than 1 in 10 passes on target.

You've been on a one man crusade to defend him for the better part of two months now. I warned you way back then you were backing yourself into a corner over a player who simply wasn't good enough and wasn't worth it...ahh well. Keep fighting the good fight.

I've defended him against inaccurate criticism. Haven't even bothered to get into the "shall we keep him, shall we not" debate for ages. Even said myself (on several occasions) that if the manager wants to get rid he should have that right.

 

[moomba]

So was Sven a bad manager? Or was it that the players he had to work with weren't really good enough?

Sven did well getting his side to a 9th placed finish.

 

[moomba]

They are clearly only figures of speech that only someone as pedantic as yourself would pick up on

And lol, it took you a good few pages but the stats are finally here

I was asked a question, I answered it.

I should be flattered I guess that so many people seem to want to talk about me.

Personally I'm more interested in the football club than any poster on here.

 

[mancity1]

You have said today you would be disappointed to see him go Moomba so I think its fair to say you would prefer him to stay.

I also believe like me you think Hughes should go if things do not dramatically improve in the last 18 games.

 

[moomba]

You have said today you would be disappointed to see him go Moomba so I think its fair to say you would prefer him to stay.

My preference would be for him to stay, or at least go out on loan for the rest of the season. Who knows, Elano v Hughes may not be as much of an issue soon.

I also believe like me you think Hughes should go if things do not dramatically improve in the last 18 games.

I've always said that we'd need to win something or finish top 6 for him to keep his job. Not going to happen I suspect (still hold out hope for UEFA Cup). A lot have things he has done I've been distinctly unimpressed by, and I wouldnt lose any sleep at all if he was sacked tomorrow.

 

[Anonymous]

I think you're reading a bit much into the stats. What I'm saying is that he gets more than 1 in 10 passes on target.

LOL...i seem to recall you using the stats to highlight to other posters how effective Elano has been during his time at City, and to point out that the criticism leveled at him was both inaccurate and unfair.

I've defended him against inaccurate criticism. Haven't even bothered to get into the "shall we keep him, shall we not" debate for ages. Even said myself (on several occasions) that if the manager wants to get rid he should have that right.

Your subtle change in attitude in recent days has been noted by most of the people who are replying to you.

Anyway defending an average player from inaccurate criticism as you put it, is incredibly pedantic. So big deal, Elano actually has an 80% pass completion rate. He's still an inconsistent, over-rated by too many, average footballer. Why bother defending that?