BillyShears said:LOL...i seem to recall you using the stats to highlight to other posters how effective Elano has been during his time at City, and to point out that the criticism leveled at him was both inaccurate and unfair.
Your subtle change in attitude in recent days has been noted by most of the people who are replying to you.
Anyway defending an average player from inaccurate criticism as you put it, is incredibly pedantic. So big deal, Elano actually has an 80% pass completion rate. He's still an inconsistent, over-rated by too many, average footballer. Why bother defending that?
moomba said:mancity1 said:You have said today you would be disappointed to see him go Moomba so I think its fair to say you would prefer him to stay.
My preference would be for him to stay, or at least go out on loan for the rest of the season. Who knows, Elano v Hughes may not be as much of an issue soon.
I also believe like me you think Hughes should go if things do not dramatically improve in the last 18 games.
I've always said that we'd need to win something or finish top 6 for him to keep his job. Not going to happen I suspect (still hold out hope for UEFA Cup). A lot have things he has done I've been distinctly unimpressed by, and I wouldnt lose any sleep at all if he was sacked tomorrow.
moomba said:BillyShears said:LOL...i seem to recall you using the stats to highlight to other posters how effective Elano has been during his time at City, and to point out that the criticism leveled at him was both inaccurate and unfair.
I've used the stats to defend Elano against criticism that he gets 1 in 10 passes on target, and that he has made no contribution to the club for a year. Nothing more than that.
Your subtle change in attitude in recent days has been noted by most of the people who are replying to you.
I've been saying the same for weeks.
Anyway defending an average player from inaccurate criticism as you put it, is incredibly pedantic. So big deal, Elano actually has an 80% pass completion rate. He's still an inconsistent, over-rated by too many, average footballer. Why bother defending that?
I've not even got into that debate. I like him, others don't. I'm happy to leave it at that.
BillyShears said:You are beginning to sound like you feel a little victimized on here...what with all the "why are you posting about me personally, i'll stick to the issues..." stuff.
Keith Moon said:If he can’t handle small time players like TBH, Elano, Jo and Hamann, he’s definitely not the man to manage a team of real superstars.
moomba said:BillyShears said:You are beginning to sound like you feel a little victimized on here...what with all the "why are you posting about me personally, i'll stick to the issues..." stuff.
Just a bit bored by people who can only counter the points I make on football issues by making snide comments about me. Thats all.
BillyShears said:If people are questioning your integrity, or your honesty...hell, even if they're questioning the things you post, it's for good reason.
moomba said:If people think I'm dishonest or lack integrity they should have the balls to say so, and explain why.
Then I will expect they also have the balls to apoogise when they're proven wrong.
BillyShears said:moomba said:If people think I'm dishonest or lack integrity they should have the balls to say so, and explain why.
Then I will expect they also have the balls to apoogise when they're proven wrong.
I think you're smart enough to read between the lines Moomba. You don't need to be slapped around the head with "I think you're dishonest and disingenuous as a poster"...
i for one,do not think you are dishonest.just blinkered.moomba said:BillyShears said:I think you're smart enough to read between the lines Moomba. You don't need to be slapped around the head with "I think you're dishonest and disingenuous as a poster"...
What have I said thats dishonest?
moomba said:What have I said thats dishonest?
moomba said:BillyShears said:Wigley recommended him to Pearce when he joined from Southampton...i believe the price quoted him at that time was 3 million pounds...
Wrong. Southampton had already rejected bids from Chelsea of double that.
moomba said:Don't know if Chelsea ever formalised a bid, Walcott said quite a lot that he wasn't interested in a move to them. No confirmation of it, but this is from his Wikipedia page:
Before breaking into the Southampton first team, Walcott's massive potential was showcased in the 2005 MATCH Annual. His performances soon attracted attention from the British media, who saw him as one of the most promising young English talents of his time. There was speculation that Walcott would move to the Premiership and media reports linked him with some of the league's top clubs including Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester United and Tottenham Hotspur.
moomba said:BillyShears said:I think you're smart enough to read between the lines Moomba. You don't need to be slapped around the head with "I think you're dishonest and disingenuous as a poster"...
What have I said thats dishonest?
I'm sure Pearce himself said the he was recommended him by Wigley when he was a kid but didn't act upon it and he was gutted about thatmoomba said:Oh dear, time for you to have a lie down.
What I said about Walcott was neither dishonest, or disingenuous. And given that you inferred that we could have bought him for £3m I'd suggest I was closer to the money than you were.
Blue in Belfast said:Sorry if this has all-ready been posted and i subsequently missed this but i feel this is a importand article and btw MH still has my full support.
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/jan/05/manchester-city-mark-hughes-player-revolt" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009 ... yer-revolt</a>
moomba said:Oh dear, time for you to have a lie down.
What I said about Walcott was neither dishonest, or disingenuous. And given that you inferred that we could have bought him for £3m I'd suggest I was closer to the money than you were.