Media bias against City

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If you only read the independent Frank, then how can you be so strenuous in your assertion that there's no media bias?
At least have a look at all the evidence before deciding on your judgement.
Of course you're going to say there's no agenda if you choose not to look at it.
 
I Only read the Independent mate and that is infrequently. I suppose our world is shaped by the bubble we live in so all our experiences are different. Maybe I would view things differently if I read them more.


That is exactly what I said pal. My view is determined by my bubble and If I read them maybe I would think differently.
But the ones that you don't read are the ones that are getting through to millions of supporters, worse still, the kind of supporters who take what's written as gospel.
You're using a very small sample to come to your conclusion that all's good in the world when it comes to reporting on our business.
 
I used to get all this with Pigeonho.
Individual journalists and pundits soon become a collective. If a journalist writes a scathing attack on us and it's printed on the back pages, then it's endorsed by that publication.
If a City player stated in an interview that fifa is corrupt, that is his view and his alone. If the club took his words and put it on the official site as a headline, they would be endorsing his words and would be responsible for them.
Most people don't look at the author, they just read the headline.

But Samuel writes for the Mail so does that mean the Mail is endorsing our view on FFP? Mirror has Mullock writing for them. A city fan are they pro-city then?. Sky has Wedderburn are they also pro-City. They all have different views mate, to me it is a collection of different opinions. It is a bit different from a political slant and the way the news is reported I would have to agree. Not sure it extends to football though.
 
If you only read the independent Frank, then how can you be so strenuous in your assertion that there's no media bias?
At least have a look at all the evidence before deciding on your judgement.
Of course you're going to say there's no agenda if you choose not to look at it.

Well I view this thread to see the negative stuff written which I think you would agree is a good gauge of what is out there. I do cross reference a lot and as you know the internet is a good source of information. I probably worded that incorrectly in hindsight about my own bubble, my apologies. I do block out Talk Sport though.
 
But Samuel writes for the Mail so does that mean the Mail is endorsing our view on FFP? Mirror has Mullock writing for them. A city fan are they pro-city then?. Sky has Wedderburn are they also pro-City. They all have different views mate, to me it is a collection of different opinions. It is a bit different from a political slant and the way the news is reported I would have to agree. Not sure it extends to football though.
Again, that's a very very small sample when compared to how many media organisations there are. Martin Samual is against FFP, that doesn't mean he's pro City, just on that particular subject. Mullock is a blue as is Wedderburn, between them they are swimming against a tide that shows no sign of subsiding. You always seem to throw those three names in as proof that we're not hard done by when the truth is its a load of bollocks.
As you've already admitted to not following main stream media it seems bizarre that you post in defence of them so vehemently.
 
Weddeburn is a newsreader, not a pundit that can spout one sided crap unchallenged.
Samuels has a column on the inside pages. He is NOT a headline writer. If he is, show me the headline from the back pages that says ffp is biased against City.
 
Weddeburn is a newsreader, not a pundit that can spout one sided crap unchallenged.
Samuels has a column on the inside pages. He is NOT a headline writer. If he is, show me the headline from the back pages that says ffp is biased against City.

So the paper only endorses the view if it appears on the back page? So if anything Wedderburn probably has more influence than a pundit who appears much less frequently.
 
This is going off track, the media as a whole generally write crap about city. There are a few exceptions, see aforementioned newsreader/pundits but the tone is driven by the news paper / show outlet.
 
Not sure if being serious but yes it has been a good debate. I would really value your input GDM as I always value your contribution. Apologies again for our last exchange.
Apology's already been accepted, frank. We all post things in an unintentional way from time to time. No need to mention it again.

My contribution is that Richard Desmond is still a cünt and Mark Ogden is a "Cockroach Cünt".
 
Just from this summer Its noticeable that a lot of people despise City, eg: Media (SKY SPORTS) Pundits such as Carragher and Sounes. TBH Gary Neville is probably the less bias out of them all.
Everyone watches SKY SPORTS NEWS and stupid pundits are bringing our club rep down and armchair fans that live in some other countrys think they know everything about football giving City abuse on Twitter. I always try my best in defending my club in the comments but I always seemed to get swarmed by other clubs fans.
We need to start going on these polls and voting for our players and when we see a tweet we need to slate them and give them It back.

Surely that gives the tweet/tweeter a certain amount of credence.
I find ignoring stuff like that, a lot more satisfying. ie, don't bite.
People like that are usually attention seekers, they suffer more when ignored.
 
Again, that's a very very small sample when compared to how many media organisations there are. Martin Samual is against FFP, that doesn't mean he's pro City, just on that particular subject. Mullock is a blue as is Wedderburn, between them they are swimming against a tide that shows no sign of subsiding. You always seem to throw those three names in as proof that we're not hard done by when the truth is its a load of bollocks.
As you've already admitted to not following main stream media it seems bizarre that you post in defence of them so vehemently.

No I post them as it seems inconceivable if those papers/Sky had a fixed narrative against us, as alleged, they would be giving them so much exposure defeating the purpose of there agenda. 2sheiks, without me putting words in his mouth, I think believes the papers have a set narrative against us. I personally think some journalists do not like us and use their columns to express that.
 
Oh come off it Frank!!! I'll accept that argument if Mike Weddeburn was allowed to say, "The headlines on the hour......... Madrid beat City 4-1....... but they had a full strength side and half of City's side was made up of kids and reserves"
When facts and opinions go up against each other , there's only going to be one winner.
 
Oh come off it Frank!!! I'll accept that argument if Mike Weddeburn was allowed to say, "The headlines on the hour......... Madrid beat City 4-1....... but they had a full strength side and half of City's side was made up of kids and reserves"
When facts and opinions go up against each other , there's only going to be one winner.

Oh come on 2sheiks. Mike has said much worse than that. He was even having a dig the day United won the league about there fans coming from Manchester. I think he has a bit of licence to chuck in the pro-City anti United quip.
 
No offence 2Sheiks but when other clubs are criticised it is always with the caveat it is for this reason or that. A lot of City fans do not rate Pellers so if he gets slagged off next year will it be fair game because a lot of city fans do not rate him? Or will it be part of an agenda/media bias?

The sterling one is a tough one. He has been a figure of hate, for some, when he was still at Liverpool however not unsurprisingly it has been exacerbated once he has transferred to us. Arguably the level of hatred would have been worse if he had set foot in Old Trafford instead. The other thing I would say is City have not been really criticised for the way they conducted the transfer or how they behaved in negotiation. The fee gets mentioned obviously but the criticism is personal o the player not the club.

I am not sure I have seen City players being constantly put up in polls either. You have given one example and particularly in Delphs case that circus, and the accompanying criticism would have been avoided if he had signed in the first instance instead of declaring his loyalty to Villa.

With regards the noteworthy stuff we did receive a lot of positive press for our academy and once we start integrating the those players who have benefitted from it into the first team squad the not producing young players bone we often get hit with should be taken away. Also we always get listed as having the cheapest season tickets £299 even though we know in previous years the actual number of value cards is few and far between. Again I am playing deveils advocate with you a bit I think there are other elements we deserve more praise. Notably the way both Pellers and Mancini avoid criticising the ref constantly. The behaviour of our players such as Komps, Aguero, Silva etc. The way the club, players and last two managers have conducted themselves should be a benchmark for all other clubs.

I will accept that the Sterling situation was born more out of him wanting to leave one of the media's holy cows, than because he wanted to join City, although I would argue that once it became obvious that the Etihad was his preferred destination, it fanned the flames further. It was certainly convenient for the Scouse media mafia, as it enabled them to focus almost entirely upon the player's greed and City's millions as the cause of the problem, rather than (God forbid) training any negative light on Liverpool and their growing irrelevance as a force at the top end of the English game.

You are also correct in your assertion that City's conduct was a distant second to the player's behaviour when it came to primary media scrutiny. However, we were far from ignored on that score, and I remember that cnut Jason McAteer claiming - without one iota of evidence - on Coco the Clown's show on Talkshite, that we had orchestrated Sterling's sick absence. Unsurprisingly this libellous statement was allowed to stand unchallenged. Then there is also the cumulative effect of all the criticism, all the bullshit polls, all the one-sided debates, etc, etc. As a case in point I have just finished watching Arsenal vs Wolfsburg on BT Sport, a game in which Kevin De Bruyne was booed throughout courtesy of his mere association with us. If you think this would have happened to say Sergio Ramos, who has been strongly linked to a move to the Swamp, had Sterling joined the rags rather than City, then I fear you are beyond help. And on that hypothetical score, using United as a yardstick for the treatment Sterling has received at the hands of the media since joining us, is disingenuous in the extreme. Any player leaving the dippers for Old Nafford would receive bucketloads of abuse simply because of the historical enmity that exists between the two clubs.

With regard the other issues you mention, there were plenty of journalists who managed to even put a negative spin on the Academy opening - those rag cockroaches Jamie Jackson and Mark Ogden for example, whose sneering focus was on the odds of it ever producing anyone for the City first team. And whilst, as you say, Pellers certainly deserves more praise for his treatment of referees, the reality is that on the one occasion he openly (and correctly) criticised an official - that idiot from Sweden, who gave Barcelona every decision at the Etihad 2 years ago - he was savaged in the media, with Alyson Rudd of the Times going on television to incredibly declare it the 'worst thing any manager has ever said'.
 
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A lighthearted, harmless quip isn't quite the same as saying that we were sacking a manager and his replacement was sat in the stands watching, when it was proven to be complete bollocks.
 
Oh come on 2sheiks. Mike has said much worse than that. He was even having a dig the day United won the league about there fans coming from Manchester. I think he has a bit of licence to chuck in the pro-City anti United quip.

And there's the difference. If the worst we copped for was the odd clearly light-hearted quip from a very genial presenter, I wouldn't have a problem........
 
It seems to have got worse now with the lifting of ffp restrictions,and if we sign either de bruyne or pogba or both it will go into overdrive,imo it may be as long as another ten years or so before we are talked about in favourable terms by all aspects of the media..
 
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