Media bias against City

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Prestwich_Blue said:
My post was quite simple. It was quite specific and didn't require you to play devil's advocate or post some shite about how the media are highlighting their boring football. Did you hear a comment about their empty seats or the cost difference between the two squads? The correct answer was 'No'.

They're the club with one of the biggest global profiles yet nothing about the fans not turning up and not one article I've seen questioning the fact they've not released the attendance figure. If you can find such an article then feel free to highlight it and I'll apologise.
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I never mentioned 'boring football' in response to your post so I have no idea why you have mentioned that.

I did highlight the Gmp stats were documented in the media, a trailer for a tv show ridiculing their support and the term 'prawn munchers' being a widely used term in the media to mock their fans unless you suggest this has never happened?

Didsbury Dave has saved me the trouble but I would be happy to add the articles about the GMP attendances in the mail and Guardian, which highlights they are not concealing uniteds attendances but highlighting the story.

So yes I will look forward to your apology, as my view that united get criticism for attendances has been vindicated.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ayer-Leverkusen-Empty-seats-Old-Trafford.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...aims-16-000-added-official-crowd-figures.html
http://soccersweep.com/2016/01/10/e...o-get-sacked-at-manchester-united-these-days/
http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...d-to-boost-sales-for-pre-season-10403239.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ar...ter-United-fans-resting-games-blame-them.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/35282080
http://www.theguardian.com/football...nchester-united-fans-leave-old-trafford-early
http://www.squawka.com/news/city-attendance/188357
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/apr/05/manchester-united-old-trafford-atmosphere



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostile_media_effect
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Nice try but my question specifically related to Saturday's FA Cup game. The only two articles that refers directly to the game on Saturday (The Guardian & Soccersweep ones) only talk about fans leaving early, never mentioning the fact that there were loads of empty seats to start with. The other articles are either old or just talk about boring football.

I watched the first half of that game and there was no comment that I remember about empty seats or the cost of the squads. Yet how many times have there been comments when our home games are televised, particulalry CL ones, about loads of empty seats. It's often the first thing the match commentator mentions.
 
franksinatra said:
I never mentioned 'boring football' in response to your post so I have no idea why you have mentioned that.

I did highlight the Gmp stats were documented in the media, a trailer for a tv show ridiculing their support and the term 'prawn munchers' being a widely used term in the media to mock their fans unless you suggest this has never happened?

Didsbury Dave has saved me the trouble but I would be happy to add the articles about the GMP attendances in the mail and Guardian, which highlights they are not concealing uniteds attendances but highlighting the story.

So yes I will look forward to your apology, as my view that united get criticism for attendances has been vindicated.
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I'm talking about Saturday and only Saturday so stop deflecting.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
I'm talking about Saturday and only Saturday so stop deflecting.
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So because Man United played one cup game without the ground being full, and the press never mentioned it, that shows media bias against City and for United?

Nope. Sorry, PB. You're a bright guy and you know full well that that is strong a case of Confirmation Bias as you can get. I've sat in many City games that weren't full and nobody in any media ever mentioned it. It's expected in domestic cup games and therefore not newsworthy. The only time that it tends to get highlighted at City is the big Champions League games where there is as much comment on it by City supporters on here as in the press.

But that's my final comment. You aren't sucking me into this daft thread. All clubs get "negative" press, and most fans think they are the only ones.
 
franksinatra said:
... the term 'prawn munchers' being a widely used term in the media to mock their fans unless you suggest this has never happened?
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I think this was fair game as it originated with Roy Keane (who was captain at the time I think).

If the club captain has a go, then it's going to get repeated.
 
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Didsbury Dave said:
So because Man United played one cup game without the ground being full, and the press never mentioned it, that shows media bias against City and for United?

Nope. Sorry, PB. You're a bright guy and you know full well that that is strong a case of Confirmation Bias as you can get. I've sat in many City games that weren't full and nobody in any media ever mentioned it. It's expected in domestic cup games and therefore not newsworthy. The only time that it tends to get highlighted at City is the big Champions League games where there is as much comment on it by City supporters on here as in the press.

But that's my final comment. You aren't sucking me into this daft thread. All clubs get "negative" press, and most fans think they are the only ones.
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2 cup games . Forgetting Ipswich. Not sure the 20,000 short fall was mentioned. Not read all this thread so if it was ? Sorry.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
So because Man United played one cup game without the ground being full, and the press never mentioned it, that shows media bias against City and for United?

Nope. Sorry, PB. You're a bright guy and you know full well that that is strong a case of Confirmation Bias as you can get. I've sat in many City games that weren't full and nobody in any media ever mentioned it. It's expected in domestic cup games and therefore not newsworthy. The only time that it tends to get highlighted at City is the big Champions League games where there is as much comment on it by City supporters on here as in the press.

But that's my final comment. You aren't sucking me into this daft thread. All clubs get "negative" press, and most fans think they are the only ones.
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Not saying we're the only ones as we clearly aren't. Just that there's a different standard applied to them, for reasons we all know.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Not saying we're the only ones as we clearly aren't. Just that there's a different standard applied to them, for reasons we all know.
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Commerce drives content, therefore Man Utd get exposure and what exposure we get tends to be negative because that's what Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal fans want to read.

I think places like the Guardian would be better off being a bit more independent and improving the breadth of their coverage and quality rather than concentrating on one club
 
The tv/press will always promote United and Liverpool when ever reasonably possible as they need to sell subscriptions/paper

Anyone who doubts hat should look BTs coverage of United's 0-0 with Chelsea. Rooney motm and United were on the up. Anyone with eyes could see that it was a ludicrous but that was their line and they stuck to it
 
To be honest I don't know why anyone other than club accountants would care about empty seats, no matter what club is involved. Any media going on about empty seats really could be focussing on more important/interesting issues.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
I'm talking about Saturday and only Saturday so stop deflecting.
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No need to deflect. I told you at the outset you are naive if you expect the press to reference empty seats at every club, because for specific games it is referenced against us.

As highlighted by the articles listed United have been criticised/ridiculed for their crowds just as we have.

It may not be for the specific game you quoted but similarly City are not criticised/ridiculed for every game. If you still think not referencing one game and uniteds empty seats shows bias even though multiple others have been referenced its a poor show.
 
franksinatra said:
No need to deflect. I told you at the outset you are naive if you expect the press to reference empty seats at every club, because for specific games it is referenced against us.

As highlighted by the articles listed United have been criticised/ridiculed for their crowds just as we have.

It may not be for the specific game you quoted but similarly City are not criticised/ridiculed for every game. If you still think not referencing one game and uniteds empty seats shows bias even though multiple others have been referenced its a poor show.
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I'm sorry pigeonho but it's the tone with which we are talked about & if it wasn't why do all fans of all clubs mock us about our empty stands & no fans. We get over 50k to every game yet we are mocked, if you can't see the difference then fine but we can. I actually think it's got better, a few years our coverage was disgusting & my barometer is how other fans judge us & you can tell when the drip, drip of lies has taken a hold. If doesn't bother me I just put them right.
 
moomba said:
To be honest I don't know why anyone other than club accountants would care about empty seats, no matter what club is involved. Any media going on about empty seats really could be focussing on more important/interesting issues.
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Correct, but its the only thing the rags still have over us. They have bigger crowds, for now yes. Everything else, they are way behind us.
 
moomba said:
To be honest I don't know why anyone other than club accountants would care about empty seats, no matter what club is involved. Any media going on about empty seats really could be focussing on more important/interesting issues.
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I quite agree.
Why do they do it then? To create a negative image.
BT, Channel 5 and ITV have all waded in over the last 12 months, letting the likes of bitter Scholes spout his hatred.

It's negative about City - who benefits from doing that? It's unlikely to be the media fools doing it.
 
ccr said:
2 cup games . Forgetting Ipswich. Not sure the 20,000 short fall was mentioned. Not read all this thread so if it was ? Sorry.
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You haven't read all of this thread?
However do you keep abreast of current affairs? :-)
 
cheekybids said:
I'm sorry pigeonho but it's the tone with which we are talked about & if it wasn't why do all fans of all clubs mock us about our empty stands & no fans. We get over 50k to every game yet we are mocked, if you can't see the difference then fine but we can. I actually think it's got better, a few years our coverage was disgusting & my barometer is how other fans judge us & you can tell when the drip, drip of lies has taken a hold. If doesn't bother me I just put them right.
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Firstly we do not get over 50k for every game and its generally the games such as Champions Lge, Cup games which we get mocked for which fall below that figure. Many on this forum are also overly critical of these attendances also. Also even if we did get over 50k should that make us immune to criticism? I take it you think Uniteds fans should not be criticised either as they get larger crowds than us?

As for fans of other clubs all mocking us. Do you believe they all think our ground is always empty? Did City fans all believe united fans are all from London/singspore when we mocked their support when we were trawling through the lower leagues? Its called banter.

Just like when we used to rejoice in prawn sandwiches, fergies right your fans are shite, United have no fans in Mcr. Fans grab onto these things about rivals, because just like us during ghe 90s, we had very little else. Whether they think its the truth or not.

I used all these as comebacks when we suffered another depressing home defeat to Oxford or someone and for all Uniteds trophies they would take the bait.

At the moment we have United managers storming out of press conferences due to 'disrespect', newspaper article after article about Uniteds boring football, ex-players like Scholes taking pot shots and were worried about a few empty seats jibes aimed at the lowest denominator.

We have never had it this good.
 
I have to say some on this thread seem to feel that they have to take a contrary viewpoint to maybe make themselves feel clever

This thread was not about how specific issues are reported nor the odd bad refereeing decision. It was about whether there is a media bias against City. It has been suggested by many if not most that there is and has been explained many times we know why and it is because at the moment it pays the media to keep the Arsenal United and Liverpool fans onside. If you doubt that have a look at who won the vote to be alongside Messi on FIFA and if there is ever a poll with Arsenal players involved there is only one winner

That will change but it will take a generation of us having regular success. I genuinely dont believe we will be having this discussion in 20 years or so as the balance of power will be with us

But for those supporters who deny this bias are either deluded or perverse
 
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