Exactly. I think his age is a factor, and you are probably commending him for doing what he is doing DESPITE HIS AGE. But there should never be a president in place for whom staying at home because he is old is an issue. I don’t think so anywayYet, Biden turned up in Israel as he did in Ukraine. He didn’t have to make the trip, could have sent the VP, or left it to Blinken. Staying at home would have been much easier and no one would have said otherwise.
Biden in Israel at this moment is a big deal and he is at least smart enough to realise that. For an old man he does get about and that in itself is taxing.
Sorry I don’t buy that. I have had the news on most of the day I have seen the Israel press conference they said that it was not an Israel airstrike. But that’s not the explanation they have given. It may still be true about where it came from but I am not going to believe evidence that I cannot verify that hasn’t even been used by those supporting that position. Especially when I have so many reasons to be skeptical of both sidesYeah, it's launched from southern Gaza, not into southern Gaza. GeoConfirmed looked at it and their conclusion was the same, and there's footage from a CCTV nursery camera which shows the rocket barrage and one falters and falls to the ground and explodes.
It's those accords that have brought this latest round of violence to the fore. it basically ignored the plight of the Palestinians, and lead governments in the West to think that the situation can "managed" which gave the far right Israeli government the green light to expand settlements and carry out provocations against the West bank Palestinians, furthermore they built a wall around Gaza and when the prisoners were well behaved they allowed a few out and a bit of aid in, they built settlements right next to the Gaza border like they were taunting the inhabitantsWe all know, and understand that Trump was/is a bit of a knob, but his Abraham Accords were bringing normalisation of ties between Israel, and many of its Arab neighbours, including up until recently the diplomatic process including Saudi Arabia.
We all know, and understand that Trump was/is a bit of a knob, but his Abraham Accords were bringing normalisation of ties between Israel, and many of its Arab neighbours, including up until recently the diplomatic process including Saudi Arabia.
I already stated that anyone taking sides in this conflict that has already killed thousands of innocent people on both sides is a sociopathic ****.You’re not trying to suggest that there are two sides to this conflict and that they tend to believe their own side more than the other?
All of that was going on well before Trump, and the Abraham accords, and you know it.It's those accords that have brought this latest round of violence to the fore. it basically ignored the plight of the Palestinians, and lead governments in the West to think that the situation can "managed" which gave the far right Israeli government the green light to expand settlements and carry out provocations against the West bank Palestinians, furthermore they built a wall around Gaza and when the prisoners were well behaved they allowed a few out and a bit of aid in, they built settlements right next to the Gaza border like they were taunting the inhabitants
It frustrates the hell out me, I have lived over there I have Israeli friends who knew it was going to explode soon or later. yet I read stuff on here that portrays it as a Black and White situation, yes of course Hamas is a bad actor backed by Iran who have their own reasons, and the killing of innocent Israelis was a terrible thing and those behind it deserve the full weight of justice, the the innocent Palestinian Civilians don't deserve to be bombed and have there very basic lives ruined, it's kind of like some people think this is perfectly acceptable and they brought it upon themselves
Much better being burned alive. Good point.So even when everbody has tacitly agreed that the beheaded babies story was bullshit ... on account of the IDF repeatedly saying they have no evidence to support such a claim you are still running with it?
The peaceful one where people don’t die.I already stated that anyone taking sides in this conflict that has already killed thousands of innocent people on both sides is a sociopathic ****.
Which side are you on?
Exactly. I think his age is a factor, and you are probably commending him for doing what he is doing DESPITE HIS AGE. But there should never be a president in place for whom staying at home because he is old is an issue. I don’t think so anyway
Totally agree.The peaceful one where people don’t die.
Truth seems to be of secondary importance to narrative at the moment.
War doesn’t determine who is right, war determines who is left to negotiate around the table.
Neither side are coming out of this well at present.
Ah, that was when Trump claimed to have brought peace to the Middle East*. Unfortunately, Trump also killed the Iranian deal out of spite and even more unfortunately, Iran was more of an issue with regard to normalising relations.
The Accords didn‘t address the main issue and Iran/Hamas have driven a hole through them. How Israel reacts and the path it takes going forward will determine when, or if, the Accords can be resurrected.
*He didn’t.
That's one thing I can't get my head around. Why do people go and live so close to the border? Are they encouraged to go there? Do they go there out of some nationalistic identity thing? They presumably aren't all right-wing nutjobs. I suppose they thought they were safe. What is that all about?It's those accords that have brought this latest round of violence to the fore. it basically ignored the plight of the Palestinians, and lead governments in the West to think that the situation can "managed" which gave the far right Israeli government the green light to expand settlements and carry out provocations against the West bank Palestinians, furthermore they built a wall around Gaza and when the prisoners were well behaved they allowed a few out and a bit of aid in, they built settlements right next to the Gaza border like they were taunting the inhabitants
It frustrates the hell out me, I have lived over there I have Israeli friends who knew it was going to explode soon or later. yet I read stuff on here that portrays it as a Black and White situation, yes of course Hamas is a bad actor backed by Iran who have their own reasons, and the killing of innocent Israelis was a terrible thing and those behind it deserve the full weight of justice, the the innocent Palestinian Civilians don't deserve to be bombed and have there very basic lives ruined, it's kind of like some people think this is perfectly acceptable and they brought it upon themselves
That's one thing I can't get my head around. Why do people go and live so close to the border? Are they encouraged to go there? Do they go there out of some nationalistic identity thing? They presumably aren't all right-wing nutjobs. I suppose they thought they were safe. What is that all about?
So when supposedly reliable news outlets have stories saying City are guilty of the charges against us and should be heavily punished, we need to believe that?So what you're saying is when every news organisation has a breaking news banner saying Israel have bombed a Hospital, We shouldn't post those words?
This is a decent, unbiased (and short) explanation if you can be arsed..I don't have enough knowledge of the hatred between Israel and Palestine to make any informed view, but what's going on is quite utterly, bonkers. But i do appreciate the people on this thread with the knowledge of the history posting comments which allows me to read up on it
So, you'd prefer a nuclear armed Iran ?
You'd also like the Ayatollahs to hvae even more free cash to indulge terrorism around the world ?
As earlier stated, there are always, and will always be bad actors ( Putin, for example) to undermine any agreement in which they don't get 100% of what they want.
This is a decent, unbiased (and short) explanation if you can be arsed..