Middle East Conflict

[hilts]

I just got to pondering the word “Terrorist” few thoughts

By the definition of the word Hamas are “Terrorist” but I did think the word was generally reserved for non state actors who wage war on both civilian and military targets, like it or not they are the governing power in Gaza, can a governing power be classed as terrorist? It’s of of no matter, however what to we call a governing power that sets out to indiscriminately kill its own citizens and citizens from another side of a conflict, Syria, Myanmar, Russia for example are theses terrorist states?

For the host population theses groups are not classed as terrorists rather freedom fighters, take the IRA and all its previous incarnations, for the poor and oppressed Irish they were their salvation from the oppressive and unfair governance of Ireland

Forgetting that debate, how would people suggest the Palestinians go about getting their own state and freedom from the daily oppression they suffer? Non violence like Ghandi? Just suffer in silence with the hope that the world notices their plight? Or form violent resistance against Israel ? It’s an interesting point to ponder and I am genuinely interested in what people think

There would be plenty of Palestinians and Irish that would call both groups terrorists. With regard being state actors they don't officially run shit without regular elections imho.

I think stating either group are seen as saviours is a tad contentious.

 

[woody1968]

The Taliban didn’t exist when the Russians were there. They weren’t formed until 5 years after the Russians left.

Thanks. I will check the virtual documentary that was Rambo 3 though just to make sure.

 

[domalino]

Interesting matter you raise. The Jews invaded Canaan..so possibly could be termed Zionists by todays definition, but possibly it relates more to Herzl and Weissman in the late 19th Century..however the Jews were there long before the Palestinians..but how far back does one go in history to stake a claim ?? Palestinians were in the area longer than the Jews..Difficult one.

It’s kind of irrelevant anyway because the people who got turfed out by the Romans were Judeans and would not recognise 21st century Jews as being from the same religion.

The religion prior to the burning of the second temple was based on animal sacrifices, paying tithes to priests and was incredibly tribal. The Judaism we know today - rabbinic Judaism- has very little in common and emerged in the 6th century AD.

 

[blueinsa]

An unprecedented American naval force with over 15 thousand American soldiers is enveloping Israel these days

American military support for Israel, which is reflected in the placement of dedicated physical forces near Israel, is reaching its peak these days.
I am attaching a list of the naval forces (only) that were sent to Israel due to the security situation.

1. USS Gerald R. Ford (aircraft carrier)
2. USS Eisenhower (aircraft carrier)
3.Ticonderoga-class guided missile cruiser
4. USS Normandy (destroyer)
5. USS Thomas Hudner (destroyer)
6. USS Ramage (Destroyer)
7. USS Carney (Destroyer)
8. USS Roosevelt (destroyer)
9. USS mount Whitney (command ship)
10. USS Bataan
Amphibious helicopter carrier and rapid intervention force

The American aircraft carriers each contain about 5,000 American soldiers, while the naval vessels that accompany them (aircraft carriers are not fools alone, but with an enveloping naval force that includes destroyers, missile ships, and according to foreign publications also submarines), include about 1,500-2,000 people. For example, The US Navy's latest publication Vessels 3 to 8 listed above are part of the strike group attached to the aircraft carrier Gerald Ford.
The American missile ships accompanying the aircraft carrier Gerald Ford have a firepower of about 200 cruise missiles per ship.

The Bataan helicopter carrier (number 10 on the list) is actually a rapid intervention force of the US Navy and has about 1600 soldiers on board.

In total, over 15 thousand American soldiers are stationed here who came to support Israel and deter various parties from joining the fighting against Israel.

For comparison, in Syria the US maintains a military force of only 900 men in recent years and in Iraq another 2500 to deal with the challenges there.
I will also note that the numbers I mentioned do not include US military air forces in American bases in neighboring countries.

The American force standing here can face a great many challenges in the Middle East, if required.

That’s without the forces the US has in numerous Mediterranean bases which can be called upon at very short notice, in fact, they will be on standby as we speak.

 

[trueblue1972]

The question is, will they use them?

You can quite easily get into Middle East Wars, getting out of them is the problem

I think everyone knows that if Israel goes in on the ground Hezbollah will be come involved, and that's why i think there have been so many leaders going to Israel, they are trying to avert an all out war. personally I don't think there will be a ground operation and all these "solidarity" visits are part of the deal there will be some fudge to end all this, until the next round starts again

Iran etc, are not worried about the US taking part, they can just as easily block the gulf shipping lanes which will cause economic chaos especially to the west

Let's hope it's not needed

 

[MouldensChippy]

The Taliban went from freedom fighters when Russia invaded to terrorists when we were there.

The Taliban formed after the Russians left Afghanistan, therefore never fought them !

EDIT. I see that this has been addressed, but the original poster cannot just seem to admit that the statement was wrong !

 

[cucumberman]

On the conclusion that the Al-Ahli hospital bomb is not a JDAM because it has no crater.

Here’s a video of combat engineer of how a JDAM is not 100% impossible and can be probable:

Reddit - Dive into anything

www.reddit.com

And here’s a video of other videos of how a JDAM can be set to without causing any crater, given that the evidence concluded of Al-Ahli hospital attack that having no crater is significant of it not being a JDAM. Thats how a non-crater JDAM does.



2 days before the attack, the same hospital was already bombed as forewarning.

 

[SamBlue]

Clear message to Hezbollah and Iran; Don't even think about it...

Do you really follow world politics, particularly Iran's one'? If there is a country not giving shit about USA that is Iran.

 

[Metal Biker]

Do you really follow world politics, particularly Iran's one'? If there is a country not giving shit about USA that is Iran.

I await Iran to make it's next move.

I fear I may be waiting a long time.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Clear message to Hezbollah and Iran; Don't even think about it...

I’m sure they’re thinking about it!