Middle East Conflict

[trueblue1972]

Money and religion the root of all evil

 

[SWP's back]

Money and religion the root of all evil

I quite like money personally.

 

[inchy14]

I quite like money personally.

Yes but when does having enough become enough?

Different thread though and not for here.

Religion really is fucked up and as I always say, the most religious are always the least tolerant.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I quite like money personally.

Well all you need is religion and you'll be set.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

The solution to this particular mess is, theoretically at least, straightforward. Like Israel has with the Gulf States, the three sides (Israel, Egypt & Hamas) get talking, under the auspices of a neutral party.

• Hamas agrees to recognise Israel and cease military and other attacks.
• Israel recognises Hamas as the appointed representative of the people of Gaza (I doubt there's any prospect of free and fair elections in the short term).
• Israel & Egypt agree to open the border, maybe under neutral supervision initially, and relax controls.
• Investment from the US, EU, China, India etc is directed to improve the lives of the people of Gaza and make them self-sufficient.
• Arab countries agree to offer citizenship to anyone who doesn't want to remain in Gaza.
• After a period of time, say 5 years, Israel recognises Gaza as an independent state.

But theory and practice are, unfortunately two different things. If Hamas genuinely wanted a free, independent Gaza, they could have had that by now. But their current aim is the destruction of Israel.

 

[trueblue1972]

The solution to this particular mess in, theoretically at least, straightforward. Like Israel has with the Gulf States, the three sides (Israel, Egypt & Hamas) get talking, under the auspices of a neutral party.

• Hamas agrees to recognise Israel and cease military and other attacks.
• Israel recognises Hamas as the appointed representative of the people of Gaza (I doubt there's any prospect of free and fair elections in the short term).
• Israel & Egypt agree to open the border, maybe under neutral supervision initially, and relax controls.
• Investment from the US, EU, China, India etc is directed to improve the lives of the people of Gaza and make them self-sufficient.
• Arab countries agree to offer citizenship to anyone who doesn't want to remain in Gaza.
• After a period of time, say 5 years, Israel recognises Gaza as an independent state.

But theory and practice are, unfortunately two different things. If Hamas genuinely wanted a free, independent Gaza, they could have had that by now. But their current aim is the destruction of Israel.

Excellent post

 

[Zabbasbeard]

The solution to this particular mess in, theoretically at least, straightforward. Like Israel has with the Gulf States, the three sides (Israel, Egypt & Hamas) get talking, under the auspices of a neutral party.

• Hamas agrees to recognise Israel and cease military and other attacks.
• Israel recognises Hamas as the appointed representative of the people of Gaza (I doubt there's any prospect of free and fair elections in the short term).
• Israel & Egypt agree to open the border, maybe under neutral supervision initially, and relax controls.
• Investment from the US, EU, China, India etc is directed to improve the lives of the people of Gaza and make them self-sufficient.
• Arab countries agree to offer citizenship to anyone who doesn't want to remain in Gaza.
• After a period of time, say 5 years, Israel recognises Gaza as an independent state.

But theory and practice are, unfortunately two different things. If Hamas genuinely wanted a free, independent Gaza, they could have had that by now. But their current aim is the destruction of Israel.

Sadly the voices of extremism prevent such suggested progress.

Extreme regimes of Hamas and Netanyahu perpetrate hatred, violence and human rights abuses.

This has gone on for decades and didn't start with Hamas attack on Saturday or the grenade being thrown by Israeli forces into the Al Aqsa Mosque.

Even the moderate, secular voices of Fatah are not respected. Netanyahu's encouragement of land grabs by "settlers" in the occupied West Bank must stop and the land must be returned. Only a two state solution with a fair allocation of land with recognition of each other's right to exist will solve this. This however died with the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin decades ago.

 

[Delboy352]

Don’t know if it’s been mentioned but I hope, for Israel’s sake, that Hamas don’t resort to mini drone attacks. God knows we’ve seen the carnage in Ukraine caused by these and watching CNN, the vehicles and soldiers clumped together seem like a recipe for disaster…

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

The solution to this particular mess in, theoretically at least, straightforward. Like Israel has with the Gulf States, the three sides (Israel, Egypt & Hamas) get talking, under the auspices of a neutral party.

• Hamas agrees to recognise Israel and cease military and other attacks.
• Israel recognises Hamas as the appointed representative of the people of Gaza (I doubt there's any prospect of free and fair elections in the short term).
• Israel & Egypt agree to open the border, maybe under neutral supervision initially, and relax controls.
• Investment from the US, EU, China, India etc is directed to improve the lives of the people of Gaza and make them self-sufficient.
• Arab countries agree to offer citizenship to anyone who doesn't want to remain in Gaza.
• After a period of time, say 5 years, Israel recognises Gaza as an independent state.

But theory and practice are, unfortunately two different things. If Hamas genuinely wanted a free, independent Gaza, they could have had that by now. But their current aim is the destruction of Israel.

Post of the year

 

[The blue phantom]

The solution to this particular mess in, theoretically at least, straightforward. Like Israel has with the Gulf States, the three sides (Israel, Egypt & Hamas) get talking, under the auspices of a neutral party.

• Hamas agrees to recognise Israel and cease military and other attacks.
• Israel recognises Hamas as the appointed representative of the people of Gaza (I doubt there's any prospect of free and fair elections in the short term).
• Israel & Egypt agree to open the border, maybe under neutral supervision initially, and relax controls.
• Investment from the US, EU, China, India etc is directed to improve the lives of the people of Gaza and make them self-sufficient.
• Arab countries agree to offer citizenship to anyone who doesn't want to remain in Gaza.
• After a period of time, say 5 years, Israel recognises Gaza as an independent state.

But theory and practice are, unfortunately two different things. If Hamas genuinely wanted a free, independent Gaza, they could have had that by now. But their current aim is the destruction of Israel.

Some good points there but you haven't addressed about the Israeli settlements on Palestinian territory, Surely this is a key thing?