Middle East Conflict

[Palerider]

So what should the Israelis do? How do they get justice against an enemy that would have killed every last one of them if they could? Hamas are an organisation of pure evil on a level with ISIS and Hitlers SS, they enjoy killing, they actually enjoyed murdering babies. Any Jewish baby. If International Law can bring Hamas to justice then fine, let the International Law makers go in and get all the members of Hamas and bring them to justice but if the International Law makers cannot bring justice for the Israelis then surely Israel must be allowed to get that justice for itself?

 

[BringBackSwales]

Not to compare, but it takes a significantly higher level of "fucked up" to walk into someone's home and shoot them point blank in the face - as opposed to bombs which accidentally take out civilian targets.

How does it? You think that this disgusting bombing is targeted on Hamas personnel only? It is indiscriminate and while the emotion is understandable the actions clearly aren’t. How many children and women do you think are in Hamas?

 

[Bazzmand Show]

So what should the Israelis do? How do they get justice against an enemy that would have killed every last one of them if they could? Hamas are an organisation of pure evil on a level with ISIS and Hitlers SS, they enjoy killing, they actually enjoyed murdering babies. Any Jewish baby. If International Law can bring Hamas to justice then fine, let the International Law makers go in and get all the members of Hamas and bring them to justice but if the International Law makers cannot bring justice for the Israelis then surely Israel must be allowed to get that justice for itself?

This is my issue, nobody is offering a workable alternative to Israel defending itself. War is fucking messy, but don't try and pretend Israel should just offer a stiff upper lip to the weekends atrocities.

 

[Bazzmand Show]

How does it? You think that this disgusting bombing is targeted on Hamas personnel only? It is indiscriminate and while the emotion is understandable the actions clearly aren’t. How many children and women do you think are in Hamas?

You can't see how walking into someone's home, with them begging for your life in front of you and killing them isn't different?

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Its an absolute disgrace, but it’s a symptom of this polarisation we have seen the world over, in fact you don’t have look far it’s very evident on this forum

People getting into one camp or another and refusing to even consider the other camps perspective or in extreme forms the other camps right to exist

It’s almost like there has been a vacuum left by the decline of traditional tribal politics and religion and people are desperate to belong and blame the other for there problems, perhaps it was ever thus

Spot-on. Tribalism, religious bigotry, and sectarian hatred is thriving. The worst thing is so many people seem unaware they have been brainwashed while others seem to revel in the conflict.

 

[The blue phantom]

This is my issue, nobody is offering a workable alternative to Israel defending itself. War is fucking messy, but don't try and pretend Israel should just offer a stiff upper lip to the weekends atrocities.

The word Accidental is laughable which he uses. There could be 100'000 Palestinian deaths at the end of this. All Accidentally killed. Utter bollocks.

 

[M16 citeh]

Hamas walked in and slaughtered civilians on the weekend and took hostages. They are fair game.

You think this is a game? I'm not gonna engage any more with you mate. Were talking about human life here

 

[halfcenturyup]

Probably in underground tunnels is my understanding. Israel don’t give a fuck about INNOCENT Palestinians, nor do Hamas.

They won't be in underground tunnels if they have any sense, with the amount of serious ordnance being used. They will be in the south, or just blended in with the general population. It's not like they will be wearing Hamas uniforms. Such is the nature of insurgency. And which is why bombing Gaza has never worked before and won't work again.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

Not to compare, but it takes a significantly higher level of "fucked up" to walk into someone's home and shoot them point blank in the face - as opposed to bombs which accidentally take out civilians.

"Accidentally". As in an unfortunate incident which happens unexpectedly? I don't know if bombing hospitals can be considered an accident. Infact I do, and it can't.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

So what should the Israelis do? How do they get justice against an enemy that would have killed every last one of them if they could? Hamas are an organisation of pure evil on a level with ISIS and Hitlers SS, they enjoy killing, they actually enjoyed murdering babies. Any Jewish baby. If International Law can bring Hamas to justice then fine, let the International Law makers go in and get all the members of Hamas and bring them to justice but if the International Law makers cannot bring justice for the Israelis then surely Israel must be allowed to get that justice for itself?

What level of "collateral damage" is acceptable?

They will kill many more innocent Palestinians.

You aren't talking about justice, you are talking about revenge.

 

[BringBackSwales]

You can't see how walking into someone's home, with them begging for your life in front of you and killing them isn't different?

Of course it is. But you can’t see how governments are held to different standards to demented radicalised terrorists? What is happening in Palestine is completely indiscriminate not to mention illegal. Sooner or later the root cause of this really needs to be addressed. I have no pro or anti Israeli or Arab sentiments but the ongoing treatment of Palestinians is appalling, I doubt the average Palestinian welcomes the presence of Hamas, but it’s the average Palestinian who continues to suffer. What Israel is doing is wrong, in my unbiased opinion, albeit the emotion behind it is understandable.

 

[BringBackSwales]

They won't be in underground tunnels if they have any sense, with the amount of serious ordnance being used. They will be in the south, or just blended in with the general population. It's not like they will be wearing Hamas uniforms. Such is the nature of insurgency. And which is why bombing Gaza has never worked before and won't work again.

You may be right pal, I don’t have any specific knowledge on the subject. I am pretty sure wherever they are they aren’t in the areas supposedly being “carefully targeted”

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

So what should the Israelis do? How do they get justice against an enemy that would have killed every last one of them if they could? Hamas are an organisation of pure evil on a level with ISIS and Hitlers SS, they enjoy killing, they actually enjoyed murdering babies. Any Jewish baby. If International Law can bring Hamas to justice then fine, let the International Law makers go in and get all the members of Hamas and bring them to justice but if the International Law makers cannot bring justice for the Israelis then surely Israel must be allowed to get that justice for itself?

I sort of agree with that. Its how life works tbh. Same with not supplying goods and services to an enemy that has just massacred hundreds of your people.

But what will that justice achieve? We all know, it will exacerbate the situation, make it worse down the line, move them further away from a long term peace of some sorts. So would you say still do it?

 

[arbabarshad]

if the International Law makers cannot bring justice for the Israelis then surely Israel must be allowed to get that justice for itself?

Go back a week before the hamas attack, and replace Israel with Palestine in the above sentence. And see how that sounds.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

"Accidentally". As in an unfortunate incident which happens unexpectedly? I don't know if bombing hospitals can be considered an accident. Infact I do, and it can't.

They're not the same though are they. I mean Churchill carpet bombed Dresden, you're saying he was as bad as Hitler?

 

[philiph20]

Hamas are evil scum. Palestinian children, women and most men are not evil scum. Terrorists slaughtering innocents is fucking evil; governments slaughtering innocents is more evil

Two cheeks of the same arse, fuck Hamas and fuck Netanyahu!!!.

 

[Palerider]

What level of "collateral damage" is acceptable?

They will kill many more innocent Palestinians.

You aren't talking about justice, you are talking about revenge.

Surely justice is mostly revenge. You kill someone, you get sent to prison or die? The Israelis are trying to deal with an enemy that would kill all of them, every last one of them and then celebrate in the streets afterwards. You have to come up with a solution that keeps Israeli families safe after this massacre. And I don't think 'let's do nothing' is an acceptable or realistic answer.

 

[The Salford lad.]

let’s get real here, what exactly did Hamas think Israel would do after that slaughter last Saturday, …. The worlds gone mad it’s like that **** that blew up the concert goers at the MEN , trying to blame the authorities for his actions, when it was squarely down to the intolerant bigoted racist filth Abedi…

 

[The Salford lad.]

Surely justice is mostly revenge. You kill someone, you get sent to prison or die? The Israelis are trying to deal with an enemy that would kill all of them, every last one of them and then celebrate in the streets afterwards. You have to come up with a solution that keeps Israeli families safe after this massacre. And I don't think 'let's do nothing' is an acceptable or realistic answer.

2 million Arabs live in Istael
0 Jews live in Gaza

 

[ayrshire_blue]

They're not the same though are they. I mean Churchill carpet bombed Dresden, you're saying he was as bad as Hitler?

I'm saying deliberately bombing a hospital causing the fatalities of civilians can never be considered an accident. They've decided it's tolerable, but no - it's never an accident.