Middle East Conflict

[Deleted member 77198]

Another one who has the somewhat facile or dubious notion that because someone Jewish has an opinion on the current situation (particularly one that aligns with their own view) that every Jew who doesn't agree with them is somehow wrong or deluded. It's so fucking infuriating. Some fuckwit on here actually mocked me for not knowing David Hearst, Editor of Middle East Eye, was Jewish, as though we all know each other and have a secret handshake or something.

Jews, just like Christians, Muslims, Hindus and other people, have a wide variety of opinions. In the Jewish world, these range from rejecting Zionism and the notion of an Israeli state (like Neturei Karta) to ardent Zionists. From those on the left who wholly support the Palestinian cause to those on the right who would happily expel or even kill Palestinians en masse.

I could post endless videos of Christians who firmly believe abortion shouldn't be allowed or that homosexuals are sinful and will burn in hell. Not my views but there are lots who hold the same views or sympathise with them. And there are lots of practicing Christians who have a differing view.

There's an article by Gideon Rachman (who I believe is Jewish) in the FT saying that it's quite possible to support Israel in its action against Hamas yet also support Palestinian aspirations. His argument is that countries talking to Israel who show some understanding and support are far more likely to have some influence, over countries who just tell them they're a bunch of bastards.

Indeed.

There was a football match in Iran last week. The Iranian authorities put Palestine flags on the seats in the stadium and the Iranian football fans sang songs in opposition to that being done, against Hamas and against their govt. Yet we have British people well up for going on marches after the Hamas terrorist attack last week and in opposition to Israel’s response to them, including some Jews.

People have different opinions on things. Some from their own side against their supposed side.


That David Hearst thing made me laugh out loud!

 

[west didsblue]

Surely they aren't specifically targeting a hospital ffs? It's either that or just totally wreckless bombing.

I presume they’re targeting Hamas firing missiles from the site. However that’s not a good enough excuse for firing a missile at a building with thousands of people inside. Hamas are utter cunts for using the hospital as a human shield but I unreservedly condemn this action by the IDF and the rules of engagement that they’re using if they allow for this.

 

[N1985]

It's time somebody went in and put a stop to both sides. Absolutely fucking barbaric all round this.

 

[BringBackSwales]

Haven’t you seen the pictures on tv? It’s been indiscriminate blanket carpet bombing of women and children for 10 days. Surely governments are held to massively higher moral standards than terrorists. I don’t think you can tell the supposed government from the terrorists. Disgusting cunts

 

[Ducado]

It always happens, they just go too far every time

 

[blueinsa]

Sky reporting a Hamas official saying via NBC that if bombing of Gaza stops they will release all hostages within the hour

 

[super_city_si]

Sky reporting a Hamas official saying via NBC that if bombing of Gaza stops they will release all hostages within the hour

Did he say whether they'd be alive or not...

 

[The blue phantom]

It's genocide. Call it what it is.

It's always been this mate. Fuckin animals. They are absolutely lawless and can kill who they like. I expect a statement from our Goverment saying " We are 100% behind Israel" coming out shortly.

 

[mackenzie]

Different rules here, this is terrorist state that can do what it wants with impunity, but of course they’re just defending themselves. Like a rapist defending themselves against the victim.

Fuck every **** that “stands with Israel”.

I'm sure many of those women abducted from Israel last weekend have actually been raped since.

 

[Postman Pep]

Given the mood swing on here we must be reaching the point where world leaders urge Israel to show 'restraint'.

10 days too late and not enough now.

 

[inchy14]

You need to have a good look at yourself, this hatred is eating you up, 500 people dead and that’s what you come up with

His posts regarding Europe becoming a Muslim state sum up his views perfectly.

He’s a fucking disgrace to be quite frank about it.

This attack is more shocking than what Hamas did 10 days ago and it’s time both sides got a fucking grip and realised what they’re doing.

Doubt it’ll happen though as their hatred for each other has got too extreme.

RIP all the innocents caught up in this.

 

[goalmole]

I'm sure many of those women abducted from Israel last weekend have actually been raped since.

You're sure?
How?

 

[mackenzie]

You're sure?
How?

Educated guess.

 

[Ric]

Targeting a hospital is absolutely deplorable. Just utterly barbaric.

 

[hcblue95]

Horrible. And our politicians from the two main parties are fully behind their actions. It's disgusting.

 

[wolviedinho]

Finally people are seeing this for what is it…blatant murder. Both sides are as bad as each other. No more of this stand with(blah blah blah).

Israel has responded with brutality against hamas brutality. I hope both are fucking proud of themselves. Now can we have some talks to stop the madness. Would that be ok? Fucking pricks on all sides!

Any government that does not condone this is no government that speaks for me. Stop green lighting genocide and find a way to move away quickly from the quid pro quo killing.

Human animals that have not evolved. The external puppet masters can fuck off aswell.

 

[dublinblue12]

You need to have a good look at yourself, this hatred is eating you up, 500 people dead and that’s what you come up with

Disgusting that anybody can justify
that, it really is.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Indeed.

There was a football match in Iran last week. The Iranian authorities put Palestine flags on the seats in the stadium and the Iranian football fans sang songs in opposition to that being done, against Hamas and against their govt. Yet we have British people well up for going on marches after the Hamas terrorist attack last week and in opposition to Israel’s response to them, including some Jews.

People have different opinions on things. Some from their own side against their supposed side.


That David Hearst thing made me laugh out loud!

It was reported that the football fans were sympathetic to the plight of Gaza people but detested the owners of their football club so much that they resisted anything that was staged by them. There must be varying accounts of this and it's hard to tell what was true.

If the fans were abusing Hamas then good on them.

 

[BlueAnorak]

I see the BBC called out the murders in Belgium as a Terror attack. Hoisted by their own petard.

 

[BringBackSwales]

Different rules here, this is terrorist state that can do what it wants with impunity, but of course they’re just defending themselves. Like a rapist defending themselves against the victim.

Fuck every **** that “stands with Israel”.

What I find surprising is that in the 2 gulf wars there was clear desire to avoid civilian collateral damage, huge apologies when civilians were killed, and yet the same governments are quite happy to fully support Israel for doing what we wouldn’t do, deliberately mass targeting a civilian population. I am disgusted that a supposedly civilised government can be allowed to behave like this. How many more thousands of innocents are going to be slaughtered in the name of vengeance?