Middle East Conflict

[The blue phantom]

Netenyahu’s spokesperson claimed the attack straight away citing that Hamas members and weaponry were being hidden in the hospital, then deleted it and came up with some fantasy story.

Then the video that they used allegedly proving it wasn’t them had a time stamp on it 40 minutes after the attack.

The epitome of evil, facilitated by the west

They also came out and said it was Hamas then it suddenly wasn't. Theve wrapped themselves up in so many lies which is par for the course with these cunts.

Anyway just as I predicted 2 hours ago again from Sunak "We continue to stand with Israel"

 

[The blue phantom]

 

[Metal Biker]

It doesn't stack up I'm afraid, you check out pictures of the Badr3 they won't fit in those small launch tubes on that truck. Anyway it's all pretty much irrelevant.

they also fit the fajr-5 MLRS, which Iran also 'donated'.

 

[Don Karleone]

Are you talking about Hamas or Islamic Jihad?

I was talking about Hamas. That's who this "war" is against, isn't it? People are saying they don't have this capability.

 

[Metal Biker]

I was talking about Hamas. That's who this "war" is against, isn't it? People are saying they don't have this capability.

Correct, they don't. PIJ however, do, and that is who is also being blamed for the hospital attack, not Hamas.

 

[Oldham Exile]

It might not have been Hamas though as some have claimed - Islamic jihad - so who knows that weapons they have

No one knows yet who did it. Go we’re all just speculating

Some posters seem determined to ensure that this thread becomes dominated by anti-Israel views - they do not seem to care for balance or evidence

 

[The blue phantom]

Some posters seem determined to ensure that this thread becomes dominated by anti-Israel views - they do not seem to care for balance or evidence

So the same can be said about the Pro Israeli posters too. I mean a few days ago they were saying the terriost in Palestine could only fire bombs made out of old water pipes. Now theve suddenly got the bomb of all fuckin bombs and the capabilities to fire it.

 

[Eebo]

Well, what an amazing coincidence! The only rocket landing in Gaza that has brought about huge international condemnation turns out not to be an Israeli one.

Hard to believe that of all the many hundreds of rockets that have landed in Gaza this particular one just happens not to be an Israeli one.

But if you are sure it's not one of yours then I guess you should just carry on raining hundreds of similar high powered rockets into Gaza and levelling whole neighbourhoods even though it might make people think this is the exactly the sort of thing that would happen if one of those rockets landed on an overcrowded hospital.

Out of interest, is there evidence of any rocket strike by Hamas on Israeli territory that has generated such a massive impact/explosion?

 

[jollylescott]

I always hated Cantona as a player, but my god I respect him now as a human rights advocate.

 

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UN Security Council to hold emergency meeting Wednesday on Gaza hospital attack

Brazil's draft resolution calling for 'humanitarian pause' in Gaza will be put to a vote during meeting - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

NEW YORK

The UN Security Council will convene an emergency meeting Wednesday to address the attack on Al-Ahli Baptist Hospital in Gaza.

According to a statement from a UN spokesperson, the meeting is scheduled for 10 a.m. (1400GMT) and will be conducted in an open debate format.

A draft resolution from Brazil calling for a "humanitarian pause" in Gaza will be voted on during the meeting.

 

[BayernMan]

 

[Uptop]

Im believe the rockets that the Isrealis have identified and can be seen firing multiple times in the videos online tonight have a 5kg to 20kg warhead and are likely the 'home made' qassam ones. Would hamas have the capability to fire a 300kg to 400kg warhead multiple times as in those videos?

I doubt badr-3 would be fired in multiples more than 2. I have seen video evidence from where Al-Quds Brigade firing them in pairs with a slight delay. Probably on a setup similar to an image I attach below.

I wasnt trying to question who or what caused it but mainly just to inform that rockets of that power do exist and have been used against Israel for years. I havent seen a trustworthy source of video to draw any real conclusions, the one I seen earlier appeared to show a rocket intercepted and then an explosion along the same path, but again I cant say if that is even real. Hitting a hospital of all things seems almost too coincidental to happen by accident / misfire.

Two Badr3 rockets at a 2021 Gaza parade:

One about to be intercepted over Israel 5 months ago, the larger rocket at the bottom.

I was talking about Hamas. That's who this "war" is against, isn't it? People are saying they don't have this capability.

This apparently isnt just Hamas involved, every terrorist/resistance organisation in Gaza took part in this, except apparently Al-Qassam Brigades, this is based on footage uploaded by members of each group during and after that first day attack showing them actively taking part within Israel.

People arnt sure if they planned this together or only joined in once the attack started but either way members from all but one group were seemingly involved within Israel killing and taking hostages.

They would have access to any weapon within Gaza effectively if that is true.

 

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Biden Drops Jordan Trip After Leaders Cancel Meeting in ‘Disappointing Setback’ for President

Biden dropped his planned trip to Jordan after a meeting with King Abdullah, Egypt's President Sisi, and Palestinian Authority President Abbas was canceled.

www.mediaite.com

President Joe Biden dropped his planned trip to Jordan on Tuesday after a meeting with Jordan’s King Abdullah, Egypt’s President Abdel Fattah El-Sisi, and Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas was canceled following a hospital bombing in Gaza.

 

[Bluemoon_420]

This is Bassem Yousseff and this man is a fucking genius. Dismantles Piers Morgan with dark humour. Never seen anything like it. A must watch if ever there was on this.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Whether Isreal or Hamas (or some other Palestinian militants) are responsible is presently unclear (although some posters have discernibly already drawn conclusions based on their own perspectives and prejudices) but either way this is exactly why Israel should have been far more cautious when responding to the attacks of ten days or so ago.

It’s inconceivable to me that Hamas launched those brutal and shocking attacks without wanting Israel to respond in the way they have. Full of anger and vengeance. Not thinking straight. Israel never stepped back to ask why that was the case. Never for a second considered whether this could have been a trap.

I’m no military expert, but giving your enemy exactly what they wish for should at least give you pause for thought, especially when modern warfare has shown us that the days of Germany marching into Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxembourg, and France and taking them in six weeks are a relic of warfare.

The response to 9/11 was equally as ill-considered and unleashed forces that could not be contained, which is what Hamas were probably wishing for. They probably figured that provoking Israel had a fighting chance of escalating things to their advantage. Not with any certainty, but with enough prospects of success to take a calculated gamble. Israel were plainly not alive to this.

Israel has an absolute right to defend itself, but as tragic as it was, like 9/11 (and unlike the Russian invasion of Ukraine) the massacre itself did not present a clear and present existential threat to the State of Israel, and any response needed to be cold, calculated, purposeful and considered. It has been none of these things and Israel has now lost control of the situation in a way that Hamas probably dreamed of.

In stating all this, I ask myself are Hamas capable of doing this on purpose to point the finger of blame at Israel (as much as Israel are also capable of being responsible, albeit unintentionally) then the answer is unequivocally ’yes’ but that’s one of the many reasons why Israel needed to apply their force in a more measured and less reactive fashion.

They’ve given Hamas exactly what they wanted imo.

 

[BringBackSwales]

If the US “stands unequivocally for the protection of civilian life during conflict” why has the US watched for 10 days unequivocally supporting its ally bombing the fuck out of one of the most densely populated civilian areas on the planet?

 

[cucumberman]

Enough is enough already. Why attack hospital to kill hundreds, many of which are children.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

Netenyahu’s spokesperson claimed the attack straight away citing that Hamas members and weaponry were being hidden in the hospital, then deleted it and came up with some fantasy story.

Then the video that they used allegedly proving it wasn’t them had a time stamp on it 40 minutes after the attack.

The epitome of evil, facilitated by the west

you’ve already come to the conclusion it was Isreal? Sounds like you’ve used random Twitter sources as your evidence as well.

Your clearly bias one way, but Maybe wait until something is actually confirmed.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

This is Bassem Yousseff and this man is a fucking genius. Dismantles Piers Morgan with dark humour. Never seen anything like it. A must watch if ever there was on this.

Is there a version with Piers Morgan edited out of it?

ETA: In all seriousness, a great interview. Although a half-an-hour with a professional comedian, and the most I laughed was still when Ben Shapiro's best friend used his first comment to remind us of Shapiro's IQ. Jesus Christ, insecure much?

 

[IrishBlueSince92]

you’ve already come to the conclusion it was Isreal? Sounds like you’ve used random Twitter sources as your evidence as well.

You’re clearly bias one way, but Maybe wait until something is actually confirmed.

They’ve bombed 19 hospitals in the last few days and a school yesterday

Doesn’t take a, pardon the pun, rocket scientist to work out who’s to blame here.

A game changer in many ways due to the sheer barbarity so they’re trying to worm their way out of and their apologists are going to great lengths to blame others