Middle East Conflict

[Roachy]

Probably for levelling most of Gaza with 1000's of deaths.

Really glad you spoke on this person's behalf. I'll reserve judgement on it though, they could quite easily be referring to Hamas and their attack on Israel.

 

[blueinsa]

Both sides blaming each other still. What was interesting is this IDF spokesman currently talking live has answered every question except the One asking him if Israel warned this very Hospital to evacuate days before due to a possible attack.

They had told everyone to go south of the Gaza wadi tbf

 

[GH64]

I want to discuss the options and formulate my own opinion as information comes to light.

You have explained to me and I have freely accepted that the Palestinian terrorist groups have bombs and large rockets that can cause those massive explosions.

I see the IDF have said it isn't their missile as there is no crater. The question I am asking that you may know is, do the IDF have bombs and missiles that could have caused that fireball and damage without a crater? Also as someone else asked yesterday has any Palestinian rocket attack caused such damage previously. All the evidence I've seen so far on the Internet indicates they haven't.

You'll get there eventually on this one incident as the evidence gets more overwhelming,
More "facts" are coming out all the time.
Originally people said it was a big bomb, so it had to be Israel. People pointed out that the PIJ had big bombs too, so it didn't have to be Israel. But it wasn't a big bomb. So interesting, but not relevant to this.
Do the Israelis have any little bombs? No-one has pointed this out but I think that you can take it that they do. No point dropping a 400kg warhead on a car, is there? And they do that a fair bit.
How much damage small bombs do depends on what they hit.

But, there is a view - held by many - that it is still all entirely the Israelis fault because the rocket would not have been fired if Israel did not exist.

 

[The blue phantom]

Really glad you spoke on this person's behalf. I'll reserve judgement on it though, they could quite easily be referring to Hamas and their attack on Israel.

He's been consistent with the War Crimes being carried out by IDF. So I'm fairly sure it's them he's talking about.

 

[BlueAnorak]

If you look at the car park footage of outside the hospital, I'd say Palestinian firepower is definetly in that ball park.

As some military expert said on some news channel this morning, if it was an Israeli guided bomb there would be a big crater or a collapsed building due to the targetting taking support structures away - there isn't.
As the Israelis are under instruction from the US as to what is acceptable, it's unlikely that area of effect or staffing tactics are being used.
Not 100% proof but way up in the high 80%'s of probability.

 

[grunge]

Doesn’t work like that though does it . On the Russia - Ukraine forum any attack which kills civilians is carried out by Russia even though nobody really knows who’s done it . This hospital attack which most probably was done by Israel could also have been done by Hamas of Islamic jihad to get the Arab nations involved . We will find out soon enough .

There's plenty of examples on the Ukraine thread of the OSINT community showing where hits were from misfiring anti air from Ukraine etc etc. generally showing pictures of reminantes of what ever was used in the attack to decide who fired it etc.

 

[HelloCity]

Anyone who thinks this hospital explosion is anything but a Hamas false flag operation needs to open their eyes.

Textbook state terrorism operation straight from the Russian playbook.

This whole thing is heartbreaking. There’s thousands of innocent people dying yet again because of a load of fanatical terrorists.

Israel have literally bombarded Gaza with missiles.

 

[Ducado]

As some military expert said on some news channel this morning, if it was an Israeli guided bomb there would be a big crater or a collapsed building due to the targetting taking support structures away - there isn't.
As the Israelis are under instruction from the US as to what is acceptable, it's unlikely that area of effect or staffing tactics are being used.
Not 100% proof but way up in the high 80%'s of probability.

So the form of the IDF for doing this type of thing counts for nothing? Like I said before the Israelis are flooding the zone with conflicting information, a tactic designed to cement the views of their supporters and confuse everyone else

In this case it matters not one bit, the Arab and Muslim Street believe Israel did it, mainly because they have done it many times before and always react the same way as they are now, so in many ways we are following a well trodden path

 

[Metal Biker]

So the form of the IDF for doing this type of thing counts for nothing? Like I said before the Israelis are flooding the zone with conflicting information, a tactic designed to cement the views of their supporters and confuse everyone else

In this case it matters not one bit, the Arab and Muslim Street believe Israel did it, mainly because they have done it many times before and always react the same way as they are now, so in many ways we are following a well trodden path

So despite everything, the fact the car park was hit by a "small" ordinance not a "large" one, video footage of the missile failing in flight and crashing from multiple sources, the fact that the IDF are blaming PIJ, not Hamas, for the attack (who do have the sort of ordinance to carry it out), their adamant refutation they did not do this, the only source we have that say they did coming from the one group which abhores them merely 10 minutes after the attack... you think Israel is still guilty?

 

[Mon Autre]

It was a fake tweet, it wasn't a real source.

It wasn't a fake tweet. It was by this guy and he isn't denying posting it. He's claiming he was mistaken. The point stands that, given his credentials, anyone who saw his original tweet claiming Israel was responsible could understandably have believed that to have been true. The original poster I was replying to was implying that anyone who had believed Israel to be responsible had some kind of anti Israel bias. My point was that there were original sources saying that who are anything but biased against Israel.

 

[Metal Biker]

It wasn't a fake tweet. It was by this guy and he isn't denying posting it. He's claiming he was mistaken. The point stands that, given his credentials, anyone who saw his original tweet claiming Israel was responsible could understandably have believed that to have been true. The original poster I was replying to was implying that anyone who had believed Israel to be responsible had some kind of anti Israel bias. My point was that there were original sources saying that who are anything but biased against Israel.
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So he's saying he was mistaken, not that it was a fake tweet.
So then the original tweet he made is worthless and not a point of reference of guilt, regardless, correct?

"How could we do this..."
"We DIDN'T do this, mate"
"We didn't? Ooop sorry, i'll delete."

PROOF!!

 

[west didsblue]

It wasn't a fake tweet. It was by this guy and he isn't denying posting it. He's claiming he was mistaken. The point stands that, given his credentials, anyone who saw his original tweet claiming Israel was responsible could understandably have believed that to have been true. The original poster I was replying to was implying that anyone who had believed Israel to be responsible had some kind of anti Israel bias. My point was that there were original sources saying that who are anything but biased against Israel.
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Yes I believed it. Now I’ve seen the evidence I don’t.

 

[Scottyboi]

What a fucking mess.

 

[BlueTG]

Any potential danger with the UAE?

Living in Dubai, there’s not much talk of the goings on around here but there is a relatively sized Palestinian expat community here.

 

[Keeper!]

What a fucking mess.

Any war/conflict is a fucking mess and it will only get a lot messier.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

It wasn't a fake tweet. It was by this guy and he isn't denying posting it. He's claiming he was mistaken. The point stands that, given his credentials, anyone who saw his original tweet claiming Israel was responsible could understandably have believed that to have been true. The original poster I was replying to was implying that anyone who had believed Israel to be responsible had some kind of anti Israel bias. My point was that there were original sources saying that who are anything but biased against Israel.
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What a load of shite. I wasn’t implying that at all. My main point was about having evidence before jumping to conclusions. Something lots of posters on here have done. Obviously People have bias on either side. Trying to have a balanced view is seemingly impossible for some

Original sources - it’s still just a guy on Twitter. Not the government or an actual official source

 

[CTID1988]

So much fucking misinformation these days its terrible, its getting impossible to know what to believe. Im getting to the point where I just ignore everything that takes place further than a mile from my house, would be so much easier

 

[trueblue1972]

Never did much before Musk, even less so now. It’s just random people saying words.

Could be true, a bit true and a bit not or pure fantasy and nobody verifies anything. Especially when it’s proper randomers having their Tweets (or whatever they’re called now) posted.

Could be some bloke from Benchill who’s never been out of Manchester who puts a Middle East sounding name and looking picture as his profile for all we know, yet we’re fooled into thinking it’s a reputable source of information directly coming from the scene.

The same bloke could have a Ukrainian profile he switches between, and another climate change one on the backburner n’all.

Plenty aren't fooled into believing. They simply want to belive

 

[grunge]

So much fucking misinformation these days its terrible, its getting impossible to know what to believe. Im getting to the point where I just ignore everything that takes place further than a mile from my house, would be so much easier

the last few months on twitter has gotten so much worse for it too. adding into that all the dodgy links flying around that look like they are probably viruses / phishing links. im very close to closing down my twitter and facebook accounts.

 

[grunge]

Never did much before Musk, even less so now. It’s just random people saying words.

Could be true, a bit true and a bit not or pure fantasy and nobody verifies anything. Especially when it’s proper randomers having their Tweets (or whatever they’re called now) posted.

Could be some bloke from Benchill who’s never been out of Manchester who puts a Middle East sounding name and looking picture as his profile for all we know, yet we’re fooled into thinking it’s a reputable source of information directly coming from the scene.

The same bloke could have a Ukrainian profile he switches between, and another climate change one on the backburner n’all.

On this, I have pretty much zero trust of any account that isn't more than a few years old. if its an account thats 7/8 years old then if its dodgy then its one hell of a long game they are playing.