Middle East Conflict

[ChicagoBlue]

Actually that report comes from Ukraine itself. Our friend here didn't seem to want to tell the whole story though.

And Republicans in Congress will use such propaganda to bifurcate the war effort and starve the Ukraine war machine.

3…2…1………

 

[Tugay One Cup]

When terrorists use their own citizens as human shields, is Israel supposed to warn Hamas where and when it will bomb a building….SO THEY CAN MOVE THE PEOPLE AND THE ROCKETS?? WTAF?!

War is hell and innocents die. It’s the nature of the urban guerilla terrorism that Hamas is known for, so what EXACTLY is Israel to do?

Oh, please. The IDF have been targeting civilian sites for decades and have never given a shit about those casualties because they faced zero repercussions.

And, no, this isn't a defence of anything Hamas has done but it is disingenuous to act like Israel have at any point been legitimately considerate of the lives of Palestinian citizens.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

If, and it's a big if, Hamas has got hold of weaponry supplied to Ukraine it would be captured weaponry handed over by Russia to Iran and moved on to Hamas from there. I think we can all imagine who that would benefit.

I am sceptical about the story but it could be captured weaponry or corrupt Ukrainian officials have been bribed.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

When terrorists use their own citizens as human shields, is Israel supposed to warn Hamas where and when it will bomb a building….SO THEY CAN MOVE THE PEOPLE AND THE ROCKETS?? WTAF?!

War is hell and innocents die. It’s the nature of the urban guerilla terrorism that Hamas is known for, so what EXACTLY is Israel to do?

What did Hamas do at the festival? Did they care? Or how about kidnapping child hostages?

One side has “written the rules” of this engagement and the other is going to execute their response with extreme prejudice. That’s the whole point of having an assymetric threat! If you’re provoked and do not use it, what message do you send?

TBH, I think Israel has been somewhat muted in their response so far, even as they amass on the Gaza border. What happens next will be determined by Hamas!

Give up the hostages, stop firing the rockets, disappear back into the sewers or get fucked up. No easy solutions, only the brute force that some people require to be made to listen.

Life, esp the life of other, has become less meaningful to those who would do harm. Things like the Geneva Convention seem quaint when thinking about the outrageous violence people rain down on others, yet it is always backed by talk of being righteous.

Innocents die, yet ideology never changes and zealotry prevails for another generation, based on the evil wrought upon you and your family.

And the Sun rises again in the East.

The reason Israel’s response may appear muted to some posters might be because they were caught so unaware by the terrorists. Not just the attacks on the rave and villages but also by the tank busting kit Hams had access to. Piling straight into Gaza without a thorough and up to date assessment of the terrorists” capability could have proven a graveyard for many more Israeli soldiers, especially given the layout of Gaza.

It’s far safer for Israeli forces to be bombing Gaza from the skies until the Israeli army are ready to invade Gaza and they have a robust intelligence assessment of what awaits them. It’s not a charitable decision.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

Do Egypt or Israel control that border?

Israel control all but one crossing of that border with Egypt.

 

[west didsblue]

Actually that report comes from Ukraine itself. Our friend here didn't seem to want to tell the whole story though.

Seems there’s a chance I might have been right.

Wouldn’t surprise me if Russia have actually encouraged Iran to get Hamas to instigate this.

 

[Blue Maverick]

Wait until the bring Iran into it, I don’t think Israel will hold back and anyone that slits babies throats deserve only the worst.

 

[Keeper!]

The reason Israel’s response may appear muted to some posters might be because they were caught so unaware by the terrorists. Not just the attacks on the rave and villages but also by the tank busting kit Hams had access to. Piling straight into Gaza without a thorough and up to date assessment of the terrorists” capability could have proven a graveyard for many more Israeli soldiers, especially given the layout of Gaza.

It’s far safer for Israeli forces to be bombing Gaza from the skies until the Israeli army are ready to invade Gaza and they have a robust intelligence assessment of what awaits them. It’s not a charitable decision.

100% true, there will be nothing left of Gaza after a couple of weeks, this has given the Israel an excuse to flatten it.

Hamas must have known that, so the worry is how the Arab world will react.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

God is part of the problem

‘God’ is a huge part of the problem

 

[blueinsa]

Hamas had a choice.

Go up against the IDF solely or attack Israeli civilians in what was nothing other than a terrorist attack on a scale the world has barely ever seen before.

They chose civilians because to them, all Israelis are targets and they want them all wiped from the face of the Earth and they did so knowing full well how Israel would respond.

Israel has an absolute right to defend itself and to beat it’s enemies.

The siege of Gaza, the suffering of the poor majority of peaceful Palestinians in Gaza is down to Hamas and its actions. My only concern is the stopping of Food, water and medicine which is a step too far.