Middle East Conflict

[Scottyboi]

Why are Egypt so reluctant to open the border or is it Israel stopping it?

Well thing about it, they would have nearly 2 mil people to look after. Israel would annex Gaza and demolish what is left and most likely not let any of them back across the border. And the Egypt would have a terror group based in their country attacking Israel. Would be the last thing Egypt wants.

 

[Dax777]

My only concern (actually, one of my many concerns) with the "reduce the effectiveness" argument, and I do get what you are saying, is that it isn't a solution at all. At best, it's a temporary non-solution and the next iteration of the ideological movement always seems to be more extreme, I suppose quite understandably, the number of civilians you kill.

I think it should not be missing that lots of the innocent civilians are killed by the ideologues. So it's not so straight forward.

The fact nothing has replaced IS yet doesn't fill me with confidence that something worse won't rise up, unless the underlying causes are being addressed sensibly and in a "civilised" fashion. If anything we should be taking the "IS sabbatical" to do just that. Yet here we are.

There in lies the problem, unlike Palestine where there is a ready made excuse, in Iraq and Syria there isn't one. There's simply the ideologue seeking a theocracy. How do you solve the underlying problem with that? There are people who hell bent on having a religious Caliphate and they don't answer to human Authority.

The "victors" in a war should show some compassion and understanding of the enemy's position to prevent the same happening again. I don't see any of that happening here. It's just destroy, destroy and destroy again and shame about innocent deaths. The world's "leaders" need to be better than that.

All imho, of course.

The enemies position here is that we want a Theocratic Caliphate, with or against the will of the people.

 

[domalino]

Yesterday they bombed the refugee camp.

This morning they told everyone they did so but got their target.

This afternoon they bombed it again, during the rescue attempts of the first bombing.

 

[The blue phantom]

Yesterday they bombed the refugee camp.

This morning they told everyone they did so but got their target.

This afternoon they bombed it again, during the rescue attempts of the first bombing.

It really is fuckin despicable what they are doing, They are slaughtering innocent folk on a unimaginable scale

 

[Postman Pep]

How the fuck is a 2 state solution viable? Who needs to make the concessions here?

 

[M16 citeh]

Yesterday they bombed the refugee camp.

This morning they told everyone they did so but got their target.

This afternoon they bombed it again, during the rescue attempts of the first bombing.

The images are horrendous it's contemptible actions and backed buy our government with a complicit media

 

[domalino]

 

[Blue Maverick]

Well thing about it, they would have nearly 2 mil people to look after. Israel would annex Gaza and demolish what is left and most likely not let any of them back across the border. And the Egypt would have a terror group based in their country attacking Israel. Would be the last thing Egypt wants.

Yet Europe gets shit for not taking people in, many of dubious nature!

 

[arbabarshad]

Israel's actions will ensure they can never be secure as a country. They might be trying to get rid of one enemy (that they created themselves) but they will be making many more enemies in the process. The world order changes every few decades and once America is no longer the supreme power backing up Israel, they'll be left to fend for themselves and their folk will then realise whatever they in 2023 was a mistake.

 

[The blue phantom]

 

[Bluemoon_420]

You have to admire Israel's humanitarian dedication to keep striking the refugee camp with less and less civilian casualties till they get them down to zero.

 

[Vic]

What is the result of bombing Gaza look at all the Islamic anger look at Turkey threatening to knock on Israel’s door. Hamas has played a blinder anger Israel watch them attack Gaza and then turn the whole Islamic supporting Middle East against them

Not just the Islamic Middle East.

 

[Postman Pep]

I mean we are long through the looking glass with this shit but this is the 'diplomacy 'minister ffs.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

I mean we are long through the looking glass with this shit but this is the 'diplomacy 'minister ffs.

Maybe, just maybe, this is the opportunity they’ve been waiting for.
Time will tell.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Israel's actions will ensure they can never be secure as a country. They might be trying to get rid of one enemy (that they created themselves) but they will be making many more enemies in the process. The world order changes every few decades and once America is no longer the supreme power backing up Israel, they'll be left to fend for themselves and their folk will then realise whatever they in 2023 was a mistake.

 

[Postman Pep]

To be fair they do pay the bills

 

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House Republican Says the Term ‘Innocent Palestinian Civilians’ Is Like Saying ‘Innocent Nazi Civilians’

Rep. Brian Mast (R-FL) cautioned against using the term "innocent Palestinian civilians" because, he said, it would be like referring to "innocent Nazi civilians" during World War II.

www.mediaite.com

Republican compares Palestinian civilians to Nazis

Florida Republican Rep. Brian Mast compared Palestinians to Nazis and said 'very few' of them are innocent in a wild tirade on the House floor.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[the blue panther]

Why are Egypt so reluctant to open the border or is it Israel stopping it?

Egypt is looking after itself. They're broke, with a rapidly declining currency. No way do they want to be lumbered with a million or more refugees in the Sinai peninsula, and from there further into Egypt. They also don't want Israel interfering there, having got free of Israeli interference there in 1981.

They would say open the borders in the UK or the USA; it was them who largely created the whole can of worms by drawing the post-colonial Palestinian borders after WW2.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Egypt is looking after itself. They're broke, with a rapidly declining currency. No way do they want to be lumbered with a million or more refugees in the Sinai peninsula, and from there further into Egypt. They also don't want Israel interfering there, having got free of Israeli interference there in 1981.

They would say open the borders in the UK or the USA; it was them who largely created the whole can of worms by drawing the post-colonial Palestinian borders after WW2.

Similarly, notable is the absence of the flotilla of British, American and European rescue ships and hospital ships arriving at the Gaza coast to take the most vulnerable to safety.