Middle East Conflict

[west didsblue]

It would appear that Iraqi Jews thought Mossad was involved in "persuading" them to leave Iraq.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/23455343

Mossad were not the only reason why Jews left Arab countries which is what goalmole was suggesting.
He has conveniently ignored all the well documented persecution that built up over the previous years.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

No, they chose to follow them out because they were allowed to keep their religion, were guaranteed safety, were paid for their work, were given positions according to their merit.
The alternative was stay under the Christians and convert or be put to death.
What's more, they lived in peace and security among the Arabs of the Middle East and North Africa until Mossad sent agents to frighten them into moving to Israel so they could populate their new colonialist project.
Pogroms have always been a Christian thing and not a Muslim one.
The Zionists won't tell you this because it suits their current agenda but the biggest oppressors and murderers of the Jews has have always been the European Christians and it'll happen again when the fundamentalist Christians of the United States get their ducks in a row. If you study their agenda and prophecies with any objectivity you'll see exactly what they are doing and it'll make your hair stand on end.
The Zionists really haven't done the Jewish people any favours whatsoever.

You forgot to mention the chief culprits, Chelsea fans. : )

 

[bluethrunthru]

Boils down to this

Israel - 7th Oct is an atrocity and we will eliminate Hamas

Palestinians - why are you flattening Gaza and killing us in our thousands ?

Israel - 7th Oct is an atrocity and we will eliminate Hamas

Hamas leadership - Ok we are in Qatar - we don't hide it and you know it - see you outside in the carpark?

Israel - 7th Oct is an atrocity and we will eliminate Hamas but we know better than to take on anything more than a tiny state coz we may get battered.

Remember Israel has to take every step to defend itself

 

[vmsuhail]

Do you do actual truth on any threads round here, or stick to your pure fantasy versions ?

I see you still haven't managed to find the hate of Jews in the Koran either, or does that not suit your purpose ?

There is no general hatred of Jews in the Qur'an. They are referred to as "Ahl-al-Kitab" (meaning People of the Book). Qur'an talks about the blessings given to Bani Israel over others and the sacredness of Jerusalem. Early Muslims even prayed towards Jerusalem. It's a pillar of our faith to respect all the Jewish prophets. Qur'an even goes on the extent of "correcting" certain stories about the Jewish prophets in the Bible to show they're sinless.

The criticisms of the Jews are primarily of those who disobeyed G-d or disrespected their own prophets like
- violating the Sabbath
- worshipping the golden calf in the absence of Moses(as)
- yearning for the varieties of food in their days of slavery when G-d freed them and was providing them manna and salva
- disobeying the command of Moses(as) to fight
- taking instructions of Moses(as) for fun during the incident of investigating a murderer
- for tampering with the scripture

Most, if not all are mentioned in the Bible. These stories are narrated not to hate Jews, but to learn from the mistakes of the believers of the past as those Jews are considered the "Muslims" of that time.

The other criticisms are contextual that happened due to the events during the lifetime of Muhammad(saw), their opposition towards his teachings and the hostilities escalating around the "Battle of the Trench" when the Jews sided with the Quraysh tribes who were in war with the Muslims.

 

[mexico1970]

There is no general hatred of Jews in the Qur'an. They are referred to as "Ahl-al-Kitab" (meaning People of the Book). Qur'an talks about the blessings given to Bani Israel over others and the sacredness of Jerusalem. Early Muslims even prayed towards Jerusalem. It's a pillar of our faith to respect all the Jewish prophets. Qur'an even goes on the extent of "correcting" certain stories about the Jewish prophets in the Bible to show they're sinless.

The criticisms of the Jews are primarily of those who disobeyed G-d or disrespected their own prophets like
- violating the Sabbath
- worshipping the golden calf in the absence of Moses(as)
- yearning for the varieties of food in their days of slavery when G-d freed them and was providing them manna and salva
- disobeying the command of Moses(as) to fight
- taking instructions of Moses(as) for fun during the incident of investigating a murderer
- for tampering with the scripture

Most, if not all are mentioned in the Bible. These stories are narrated not to hate Jews, but to learn from the mistakes of the believers of the past as those Jews are considered the "Muslims" of that time.

The other criticisms are contextual that happened due to the events during the lifetime of Muhammad(saw), their opposition towards his teachings and the hostilities escalating around the "Battle of the Trench" when the Jews sided with the Quraysh tribes who were in war with the Muslims.

 

[Sarutaka]

There is no general hatred of Jews in the Qur'an. They are referred to as "Ahl-al-Kitab" (meaning People of the Book). Qur'an talks about the blessings given to Bani Israel over others and the sacredness of Jerusalem. Early Muslims even prayed towards Jerusalem. It's a pillar of our faith to respect all the Jewish prophets. Qur'an even goes on the extent of "correcting" certain stories about the Jewish prophets in the Bible to show they're sinless.

The criticisms of the Jews are primarily of those who disobeyed G-d or disrespected their own prophets like
- violating the Sabbath
- worshipping the golden calf in the absence of Moses(as)
- yearning for the varieties of food in their days of slavery when G-d freed them and was providing them manna and salva
- disobeying the command of Moses(as) to fight
- taking instructions of Moses(as) for fun during the incident of investigating a murderer
- for tampering with the scripture

Most, if not all are mentioned in the Bible. These stories are narrated not to hate Jews, but to learn from the mistakes of the believers of the past as those Jews are considered the "Muslims" of that time.

The other criticisms are contextual that happened due to the events during the lifetime of Muhammad(saw), their opposition towards his teachings and the hostilities escalating around the "Battle of the Trench" when the Jews sided with the Quraysh tribes who were in war with the Muslims.

True, it’s not just specifically Jewish people. There seems to be a general condemnation and dislike for anyone that is not Muslim in Islam….all Abrahamic faith for that matter…

 

[vmsuhail]

True, it’s not just specifically Jewish people. There seems to be a general condemnation and dislike for anyone that is not Muslim in Islam….all Abrahamic faith for that matter…

My point was that Qur'an talks about both the good and the bad Jewish people.

Qur'an 3:113-114
"Yet all are not alike: among the People of the Book (Jews, Christians, ..) there are upright people who recite the messages of G-d in the watches of the night and prostrate themselves in worship. They believe in G-d and in the Last Day and enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong, and race to excel each other in doing good. These are among the righteous."

 

[Sarutaka]

My point was that Qur'an talks about both the good and the bad Jewish people.

Qur'an 3:113-114
"Yet all are not alike: among the People of the Book (Jews, Christians, ..) there are upright people who recite the messages of G-d in the watches of the night and prostrate themselves in worship. They believe in G-d and in the Last Day and enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong, and race to excel each other in doing good. These are among the righteous."

And my point was that all Abrahamic faiths find a justification in their books to call most groups of people bad…

 

[Blue Maverick]

All made up bollocks to control people by inventing an invisible entity for gaining power over the uneducated, ban the fucking lot if it, every religion. I can’t believe in this day and age especially in the so called educated First World people swallow this horeshit.

 

[MouldensChippy]

My point was that Qur'an talks about both the good and the bad Jewish people.

Qur'an 3:113-114
"Yet all are not alike: among the People of the Book (Jews, Christians, ..) there are upright people who recite the messages of G-d in the watches of the night and prostrate themselves in worship. They believe in G-d and in the Last Day and enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong, and race to excel each other in doing good. These are among the righteous."

Oh look, another koran washer !

Plenty of passages in there, they are still quoted, still used, and you know it !

 

[vmsuhail]

Oh look, another koran washer !

Plenty of passages in there, they are still quoted, still used, and you know it !

I probably know every single one of them, and I've summarized it for you. I guess you'll read the Bible and conclude it is a Jew hating book.
1 Thessalonians 2:15-16
For some of the Jews killed the prophets, and some even killed the Lord Jesus. Now they have persecuted us, too. They fail to please God and work against all humanity, as they try to keep us from preaching the Good News of salvation to the Gentiles. By doing this, they continue to pile up their sins. But the anger of God has caught up with them at last.

 

[The blue phantom]

Is all this not for the religion thread?

Religion

Mods, If this is too much for you to handle, no worries, delete away. I was in the pub earlier and a friend of mine hobbled up to the bar with his leg in a cast, asked for a beer and a shot but it had to be down low as his brother in law and family were there and were 'very religious' and could...

forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk

 

[blueinsa]

All made up bollocks to control people by inventing an invisible entity for gaining power over the uneducated, ban the fucking lot if it, every religion. I can’t believe in this day and age especially in the so called educated First World people swallow this horeshit.

This thread is hard enough without passages of the fucking so called holy books being used to justify arguments and opinions.

 

[KPXBLN]

I'd guess it's because 'decent nations' have suffered thousands of deaths and injuries after Islamist terrorist acts on 9/11, 7/7 and the Arena bombing.

Of course you can't wipe out an ideology but you can wipe out the infrastructure that supports the ideology.

Hamas have cynically hidden behind the people they're supposed to be representing and their hope is that the more of those innocents die, the better it will be for them, as the more the pressure will grow for a ceasefire that protects them. If they really cared about Gaza, they'd negotiate to give up their weapons and leave the area, allowing someone who does care more about the poor innocents to come to a political solution that stops the slaughter.

‘A mass assassination factory’: Inside Israel’s calculated bombing of Gaza

Permissive airstrikes on non-military targets and the use of an AI system have enabled the Israeli army to carry out its deadliest war on Gaza.

www.972mag.com

This is an interesting article (from an Israeli publication), about the way that the IDF chooses targets. It makes it quite clear that it's not as simple as Hamas hiding behind civilians, and that the Israeli military is deliberately killing a lot more civilians in this round of fighting than in previous years.

 

[MouldensChippy]

I probably know every single one of them, and I've summarized it for you. I guess you'll read the Bible and conclude it is a Jew hating book.
1 Thessalonians 2:15-16
For some of the Jews killed the prophets, and some even killed the Lord Jesus. Now they have persecuted us, too. They fail to please God and work against all humanity, as they try to keep us from preaching the Good News of salvation to the Gentiles. By doing this, they continue to pile up their sins. But the anger of God has caught up with them at last.

You need to try harder, especially with your compatriots, who seem to see it all different to you. Unless of course they are trying to wash it for the hard of thinking, and gullible ! ;-o

 

[Vic]

This thread is hard enough without passages of the fucking so called holy books being used to justify arguments and opinions.

Except people are citing one verse of the Qur'an as evidence of Islam wanting genocide of the Jews, while the Hebrew scriptures have their own prophecies about the destruction of Jerusalem because of the Jews' disobedience. Religious texts are being used to justify what's happening. Try this bizarre appeal to Christians, citing Zechariah whose prophecy about the coming Messiah (straight after the bit about Gaza) will be central to most Christians' recognition that Jesus is the Jews' messiah (the king arriving in Jerusalem on a donkey).

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-prophecy-in-zechariah-about-the-fall-of-gaza/

 

[blueinsa]

Except people are citing one verse of the Qur'an as evidence of Islam wanting genocide of the Jews, while the Hebrew scriptures have their own prophecies about the destruction of Jerusalem because of the Jews' disobedience. Religious texts are being used to justify what's happening. Try this bizarre appeal to Christians, citing the prophet whose prophecy about the coming Messiah (straight after the bit about Gaza) will be central to most Christians' recognition that Jesus is the Jews' messiah.

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-prophecy-in-zechariah-about-the-fall-of-gaza/

No idea why you have come back at me with that?

My post was very clear.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Lots of young Israeli soldiers are dying as well as Palestinian civilians. It’s all very sad, RIP. In the last messages to their families that I’ve read on social media, there’s hardly any mentions of religion and it’s about land and nations. Young lives wasted before having a real chance of a life.

 

[Vic]

No idea why you have come back at me with that?

My post was very clear.

You can ignore posts but how can you ignore the religious texts used to justify the conflict? This is a major Israeli newspaper using an ancient text to justify to Christians the massacre of Muslims and Christians in Gaza. It's a conflict where some people complain that the Palestinians displaced by Jewish immigrants should just have migrated around the world (like the Jews displaced in Roman times) but base the right of Jews to return to the land 1900 years later on a text about what G-d supposedly said 3000 years ago, while their political leader says to remember what happened when (according to the texts) G-d told the Jews to commit genocide against the Amalekites.

 

[Vic]

Lots of young Israeli soldiers are dying as well as Palestinian civilians. It’s all very sad, RIP. In the last messages to their families that I’ve read on social media, there’s hardly any mentions of religion and it’s about land and nations. Young lives wasted before having a real chance of a life.

It's desperately sad. But what are they saying about land? We're defending Israel from attacks from another land, or that Gaza is part of Israel? Not that it makes much difference if it's your last message home, but it is part of why they are there. For whose land is it, see above.