Might as well give up now?

Don't know how true this is but my mate (a final year economics student) rekcons the City legal and financial teams are so on-the-ball with these regulations that they have plans a, b, c, d, e, f.....

Basically he suggested that even if breaking even looked nigh on impossible, our Sheikh could (in an overly dramatised world) stroll into the Walmart HQ, purchase the Walmart/ASDA empire under the City holding company name and all the profits would sit nicely in the City books.

Obviously we wouldn't go to this extreme but is he right? Could we just buy an already succesful outlet and count the profits towards breaking even?
 
"<UAE team> today smashed the world transfer record with the capture of Paraguyan international Roque Santa Cruz from Manchester City. The fee is undisclosed but believed to be in the region of £250m rising to £270m based on performance-related clauses."
 
LoveCity said:
"<UAE team> today smashed the world transfer record with the capture of Paraguyan international Roque Santa Cruz from Manchester City. The fee is undisclosed but believed to be in the region of £250m rising to £270m based on performance-related clauses."

Haha wouldnt suprise me.
 
Garry.Cook said:
Don't know how true this is but my mate (a final year economics student) rekcons the City legal and financial teams are so on-the-ball with these regulations that they have plans a, b, c, d, e, f.....

Basically he suggested that even if breaking even looked nigh on impossible, our Sheikh could (in an overly dramatised world) stroll into the Walmart HQ, purchase the Walmart/ASDA empire under the City holding company name and all the profits would sit nicely in the City books.

Obviously we wouldn't go to this extreme but is he right? Could we just buy an already succesful outlet and count the profits towards breaking even?

nope, has to be 'football related' income, to count. that means, related to the ground, the players, the club, the brand.

Even if we renamed Walmart 'Citymart', it would be us sponsoring them, their business doesn't have anything to do with our club.

This is why we're wondering about them developing Sportcity, because it would be true that any income gained from developments around the ground would count, within reason.

"<UAE team> today smashed the world transfer record with the capture of Paraguyan international Roque Santa Cruz from Manchester City. The fee is undisclosed but believed to be in the region of £250m rising to £270m based on performance-related clauses."

nope, rules exist to prevent assets from being sold for more than their 'fair value'.. same applies to sponsorship.

The comment that sparked this article is just a clarification of how UEFA want the results to be presented. Their first goal will be transparency, they don't want clubs to try and hide their losses through the flick of a pen. Everything else depends on how hard a line they want to take.

Clubs will be negotiating furiously with UEFA to find a middle ground, so they at least know where they stand before the first round of assessments takes place.

Large numbers of clubs will turn in losses, but refusing entry to scores of clubs would be the most extraordinary thing.

My guess is the middle ground will be; you show us absolutely everything, make every last effort to comply, come up with a genuine strategy for the future, and you will probably get the benefit of the doubt, for now.

UEFA run club football, but they also benefit hugely from it. If they ban Chelsea, Inter, City, Zenit (let alone Barca, Utd, Real), they are throwing away huge amounts of commercial income, and risking those clubs, and others, launching a breakaway competition.

Sure, UEFA would challenge it, ban the players involved from International Football.... but it would be a hell of a fight under European Law.

UEFA are in a privileged situation, granted all sorts of special exemptions and powers under European law. Acting 'unreasonably', opening all that up to serious, sustained legal challenge, is not in their interest.

Neither is devaluing the Champs League by refusing entry to the best teams.

The commercial income from the CL trickles down to every part of the organisation, and the people who benefit are the ones who vote in the executives and the president. That income is derived from the clubs. UEFA must maintain a consensus with them.

UEFA will push it so far, but they want to make a difference and retain order, not start a war. The onus is on everyone to be reasonable. Clubs must manage their finances reasonably, UEFA must regulate reasonably, or it's armageddon. It's not unusual for upcoming commercial enterprises to post losses, whilst still growing in value and solidity.
 
bluenova said:
I don' think this is chaning the rules retrospectively - it's about keeping to the current accounting rules.

The 10(11) pt plan a couple of pages back should reassure us that we can do this and the link below to The Swiss Ramble explains how we'd do it in detail.

The article is about amortization. Eg. if we buy Yaya for £25m on a 5 year contract then for the next five years we have -£5m in the accounts, rather than -£25m this year.

And this -£50m a year is the total of all our transfers. So, if we sold RSC, Lescott and Bellamy (for whatever amount), their fee would disappear from the balance sheet and that -£50m would be -£35m already. We've now got a youngish squad that can compete, and has a resale value, so future transfers will be 'topping up' and our accounts will improve quickly.


http://swissramble.blogspot.com/

Agree with the above post 100%.

The link given is to the best account of our financial position and the many ways in whcih we can satsify the UEFA regs. MUEN have used the link as a basis for their article last night (cheey twats).

There isn't anthing new in the Independent link on the op. Just ignore it.
 
The FFP rules dictate that clubs must effectively break even from 2011-12 onwards, when monitoring begins.

So we don't have a problem as this:

Andrea Traverso, the man in charge of monitoring, has told The Independent that any "wipeout" of historic spending would "be seen as a way to circumvent the rules, and that is not allowed"

In unenforceable when the rule is above it.

Without monitoring coming into place until 2011/12 onwards, we can "wipe out" whatever we like, or they can face a legal charge for monitoring our accounts and attempting to enforce rules before the agreed time period.
 

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