Missing woman Nicola Bulley - inquest (P 158)

[Mr Kobayashi]

Obtaining a fake passport is one thing, and it's not easy even if you know the way fraudsters operate, opening a bank account is another. Banks need 2 forms of ID and they do searches linked to addresses. She would need a second address to set up the account otherwise the 'fake name' account just shows up when they search on the address. In summary, it's incredibly difficult to set up new financial accounts that can't be traced.

There is no way she has done a runner in a way that a quick look at her finances won't confirm or rule out.

Why use a fake name when you could just pop to a large cemetery and use the name of someone who died in childhood or if you have access to a database that of someone with special needs confined to residential care.

I'm aware of the address check, obtain a tenancy agreement for a room somewhere or get registered on the electoral roll at somebody willing to do it for you.

You don't need to be an elite fraudster to know this just some basic knowledge and awareness of vulnerabilities in the system.

Once you have a passport you can obtain a provisional driving licence.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

It’s not crass.

Around 350,000 missing persons reports are filed in Britain a year. Police confirm around 180,000 people go missing a year (as not all those filed for are missing). Most are found or come back but at any one time there are around 5,000 long-term missing individuals in Britain.

One has made the News. That is odd. It’s an anomaly for this to make the News. So it’s natural to ask, ‘why, this one?’.

It isn't though. Most people who go missing turn up on their own accord or have some explanation or context as to why they went off the radar. How many of those 5000 are transient and without a stable family life?

Claudia Lawrence made headlines for similar reasons. Although the police detective who led the case believes the most likely explanation is that it was connected to a dodgy bloke in her personal life and she was murdered.

I think it made the news during a slow news week and then as bigger events happened (Turkey earthquake, Zelensky going on a tour of Europe for weapons etc) it was knocked down the order. It is only a big story on Sky and the press because it has interest of watchers and readers.

Once there are no more developments, because the body has been lost to the Sea then the cameras will move to the next attraction.

 

[The slaughtered lamb]

Why use a fake name when you could just pop to a large cemetery and use the name of someone who died in childhood or if you have access to a database that of someone with special needs confined to residential care.

I'm aware of the address check, obtain a tenancy agreement for a room somewhere or get registered on the electoral roll at somebody willing to do it for you.

You don't need to be an elite fraudster to know this just some basic knowledge and awareness of vulnerabilities in the system.

Once you have a passport you can obtain a provisional driving licence.

Someone’s been reading/watching ‘The Day of the Jackal’.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Someone’s been reading/watching ‘The Day of the Jackal’.

Lol. No I've just watched the remake of the film with Bruce Willis. :)

No it is all stuff picked up from various sources.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

I‘ll forget how some are forgetting the reality of this thread.

They have failed her.

 

[paulchapo]

I‘ll forget how some are forgetting the reality of this thread.

They have failed her.

They were a bit premature in presuming she'd fallen into the river, so wasting valuable time and possibly information when it was fresh in people's memories. It smacks of lazy policing, disappeared in a short space of time? Must have fallen into the river. Three blindspots with no CCTV coverage have been identified where she could have left the area. The expert diver is now convinced she didn't go in the river as they would have found her. The two hour window from finding the dog and phone and police not being alerted is a lot of time to leave the area. Hopefully something comes to light soon but I doubt it's going to be a positive outcome sadly.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

If the police were not informed for 2 hours, where did her partner think she had got to?

I think two hours is a reasonable timeframe. There‘s a lot of internal bargaining founded upon blind hope that goes on in the early period of when someone goes missing. It’s a judgement call that is hugely difficult to get right.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I think her social class and appearance have played a part, but I think the looming presence of the river has raised this disappearance way above the norm more than any other factor. Logic strongly suggests she must have gone in the water and drowned. It’s the most obvious explanation, given the circumstances around her disappearance. And yet despite extensive and intensive searching of the river, no body has been found. If it was just about a mobile phone being found on a bench then the story wouldn’t have gained the momentum it has.

It is the juxtaposition of the (seemingly) obvious explanation with the absence of any associated evidential proof that has drawn people in, because it has greatly enhanced the mystery of her disappearance and given rise to conjecture and speculation, activities that the human mind enjoys engaging in - something this thread suitably demonstrates.

 

[The blue phantom]

middle class people will know who to speak to (press, police etc) how to galvanise the public through a savvy media campaign.

So middle class like Shannon Matthews family then?

 

[bluebaja]

I think her social class and appearance have played a part, but I think the looming presence of the river has raised this disappearance way above the norm more than any other factor. Logic strongly suggests she must have gone in the water and drowned. It’s the most obvious explanation, given the circumstances around her disappearance. And yet despite extensive and intensive searching of the river, no body has been found. If it was just about a mobile phone being found on a bench then the story wouldn’t have gained the momentum it has.

It is the juxtaposition of the (seemingly) obvious explanation with the absence of any associated evidential proof that has drawn people in, because it has greatly enhanced the mystery of her disappearance and given rise to conjecture and speculation, activities that the human mind enjoys engaging in - something this thread suitably demonstrates.

That is very well put and sums it up in my view.