Moving Away Fans / SSL3 /2 All City Fans.

jrb said:
And others think it's a good idea. :-)

You've lost me.

3000 people in a space of 1500 people?

Current SSL2 away blocks, current SSL1 away blocks, and blocks 111, 110, and half of block 114. Current home blocks. How many seats does that add up to?

109, 110, 111 and half of 114 would be well over 1000 seats. Until an exact count is done on blocks 111, 110, and half of 114, we won't know if any, and how many additional seats would be needed in block 109, if any, to accommodate the away fans from SSL3. ATM it's subjective and a guestimate. Nobody has the exact seat numbers for each block. Get counting on the seat planner ! :-)
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The OP is asking for all away supporters to be on Level 1, with Level’s 2 & 3 to be exclusively for City supporters, that’s the bit that’s unfeasible. If the away supporters were to remain on level 2 as well that’s a different argument entirely, although what we would gain from it I’m not sure.
 
Beaker said:
The OP is asking for all away supporters to be on Level 1, with Level’s 2 & 3 to be exclusively for City supporters, that’s the bit that’s unfeasible. If the away supporters were to remain on level 2 as well that’s a different argument entirely, although what we would gain from it I’m not sure.
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Burton?

I didn't know that. Apologies.

I've always thought it was just about moving the away fans on SSL3 to blocks 111, 110, 114. (109?)

That's what I've always thought the discussion was about, and what 'I've always been discussing'.

As you say, it's impossible to move all the away fans onto SSL1 and ESL1.

What we would gain has been discussed.
 
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My opinion for what it’s worth would be to leave the composition of the south stand as it is. I would make all of block 314 and the back dozen rows of 315,316,317 & 318 standing to try and get more noise from the whole of SSL3. Then try and populate the new north stand with potential singers.

I would also, (I know this is controversial with some people) make NSL1 standing and try and encourage singers into there as well. Having a full, stood up atmospheric section pitch-side behind the goal we shoot towards in the second half 9 times out of 10 can only be a good thing.
 
Beaker said:
My opinion for what it’s worth would be to leave the composition of the south stand as it is. I would make all of block 314 and the back dozen rows of 315,316,317 & 318 standing to try and get more noise from the whole of SSL3. Then try and populate the new north stand with potential singers.

I would also, (I know this is controversial with some people) make NSL1 standing and try and encourage singers into there as well. Having a full, stood up atmospheric section pitch-side behind the goal we shoot towards in the second half 9 times out of 10 can only be a good thing.
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That would be great. There biggest problem with that is where do you move the people who are already sat in the family stand?

Ns2 should just be all safe standing
 
SSL3/2 - A Compromise.

1) SSL3 - Exclusive City

2) SSL2 - Away fans if they can sell it.

3) ESL 110/111 + SSL113 Away fans.

That configuration should satisfy the seat counters, not compromise segregation and not increase capex.

City then have 100% of SSL3, & 75% of SDL2 & 1 with away fans getting their allocation if the can sell it.
 
I thought 111, 110, and 109 were good yesterday. Better than SSL3. Mainly due to the banter with West Ham fans.
 
jrb said:
I thought 111, 110, and 109 were good yesterday. Better than SSL3. Mainly due to the banter with West Ham fans.
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Although 115 is next to the away fans you can't see them like we can in 109/110/111. And because we can see them we have banter with them. Yesterday we sang "you're just a shit Danny Dyer". Followed by "you're just a fat Danny Dyer", and "You're just a bald Danny Dyer to a bemused West Ham fan.

Many sections in the stadium would have barely heard us or not heard us at all but being next to the away fans generates atmosphere, and unlike @Gone for a Burton wanting away fans where we are I disagree. Kippax corner is often the loudest part of the stadium and that's largely due to being next to the away fans.
 
ninjamonkey said:
We have one of the best sectioned off away ends in the country, it's very easily policed with the entire away end completely blocked off with only one entrance/exit. That's always going to be the priority and the reason why I believe they'll never willingly change it.

Can't think of many others like ours, stoke is the only one that comes to mind, that is pretty much the same as the Etihad with a completely fenced in away section and Leeds is like the extreme, prison version with half a mile of cages to get through.

Anybody in the south stand will know first hand how much of a ballache it becomes getting in/out in cup games when we have to give them the third tier instead and entrances and segregation outside the ground changes, nobody wants to deal with that shitshow every other week.

In the ground, breaking them into 3 stands makes it a lot harder for them to all sing in unison, not impossible but most of their songs take far more effort to buikd into a full away end singing with the mahority tailing off before they can fully get going. Anything else helps them build an atmosphere, and why would we do that?

Aside from the logistics, it's still a no thanks from me, I'm basically on the barrier in SS1, I'm there because I want to be, I like it, everybody I even vaguely know around me seems to feel the same. never heard any complaints. I have zero intention of moving from my seat and if there were to be any overhaul of the layout that forced me to move or even just changed my match experinence, my first thought would be to find an equivalent seat to what I have now, essentially just creating the same environment in a different part of the ground. There's no problem to be fixed here in my eyes.
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It's also not a particularly nice to be an away fan when it's a big game and we are on it. That Arsenal fan from the home treble game posting a video of getting absolute pelters from both sides. It's what you want from a modern football game, actually safe and actually intimidating for the right reasons. We just don't take advantage of it as much as we can do.

Still I think a more European style North Stand with the south stand keeping its Bert character is probably the best of both worlds. The dream scenario is the two stands singing to one another to keep the atmosphere up, while Kippax corner picks one away lad giving it large to try and make cry.
 
BlueMoonRisin’ said:
Although 115 is next to the away fans you can't see them like we can in 109/110/111. And because we can see them we have banter with them. Yesterday we sang "you're just a shit Danny Dyer". Followed by "you're just a fat Danny Dyer", and "You're just a bald Danny Dyer to a bemused West Ham fan.

Many sections in the stadium would have barely heard us or not heard us at all but being next to the away fans generates atmosphere, and unlike @Gone for a Burton wanting away fans where we are I disagree. Kippax corner is often the loudest part of the stadium and that's largely due to being next to the away fans.
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I wouldn't say it's the loudest part of the Etihad. It's not louder than SSL1 when that gets going, and in comparison.

As you say

I used to stand in 110, so I know about the banter. 111, 110 and 109 over look the away fans at an angle, so there is always plenty of eye contact and verbals between both sets of fans. Lol! Whilst SSL1 is side on to the away fans, so that eye contact and interaction between the 2 sets of fans isn't there as much.

111, 110 and 109 isn't as vocal as it used to be. But it is improving again. It always turns up for the big matches. There isn't much singing and support from there for the lesser matches. 111, 110 and 109 is more if a reactionary singing section to the away fans, rather than constant and out and out singing and support. That isn't a pop at the fans in those blocks. I absolutely loved my time in 110. And I miss it like hell when it was like it was against West Ham on Saturday. :-)
 
BlueMoonRisin’ said:
Although 115 is next to the away fans you can't see them like we can in 109/110/111. And because we can see them we have banter with them. Yesterday we sang "you're just a shit Danny Dyer". Followed by "you're just a fat Danny Dyer", and "You're just a bald Danny Dyer to a bemused West Ham fan.

Many sections in the stadium would have barely heard us or not heard us at all but being next to the away fans generates atmosphere, and unlike @Gone for a Burton wanting away fans where we are I disagree. Kippax corner is often the loudest part of the stadium and that's largely due to being next to the away fans.
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The 'Kippax Corner' is very quiet, it was initially noisy but now I often just hear SS L1 & L3 from where I sit.
 
stonerblue said:
If you wanna generate atmosphere then sticking away fans out of the way will not help
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Completely agree. Just have to look at Sunderland. When away fans at the SOL were lower tier behind the goal, the home corner next to them was very loud and indeed this is evidenced for posterity from 13 May 2012.

However since they moved the away fans to upper tier at the opposite end with home fans nowhere near them, it always struck me that the SOL was much more subdued with home and away fans unable to hear one another and consequently no chants between the rival supporters.

I think the presence of away fans in SSL3 means City fans are louder there than if there were no visiting supporters to chant against; indeed I recall an operation one end for some cup game, when away fans were moved, being promoted on here for SSL1 and it fell completely flat.
 
Man_City_Loyal said:
its very quiet compared to when it was intially set out as the singing section.
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Blame the club.............years ago there wasn't a half and half scarf to be seen or people filming away team etc.

The whole place is definitely being diluted and sanitised.

Kippax corner can't be beaten for having a laugh still.
 
Man_City_Loyal said:
its very quiet compared to when it was intially set out as the singing section.
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I agree. The corner section used to be great. I was in 109 and I think it was against Juventus years ago, where it was just non stop singing. It was like that for most games. Even the concourse on derby day used to great - that’s died down now.

When the south stand expanded, the corner seemed to get worse noise wise in my opinion.

I think quite a few people left that section who were regular singers as well. Ss3 is where it’s at now noise wise.
 
Luddite_Blue said:
Completely agree. Just have to look at Sunderland. When away fans at the SOL were lower tier behind the goal, the home corner next to them was very loud and indeed this is evidenced for posterity from 13 May 2012.

However since they moved the away fans to upper tier at the opposite end with home fans nowhere near them, it always struck me that the SOL was much more subdued with home and away fans unable to hear one another and consequently no chants between the rival supporters.

I think the presence of away fans in SSL3 means City fans are louder there than if there were no visiting supporters to chant against; indeed I recall an operation one end for some cup game, when away fans were moved, being promoted on here for SSL1 and it fell completely flat.
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There are no away fans next to the KOP, and that makes loads of noise, which gets the rest of Anfield going. The same with the Stratford End. You don't need away fans next to you to make noise and to support the team. What you need is enough singers together in 1 tier or 1 block.

As a rule from what I've read on here, only a small block of fans who stand at the back of SSL3 next to the away end sing, whilst the rest of SSL3 sits and watches the match.
 
jrb said:
I wouldn't say it's the loudest part of the Etihad. It's not louder than SSL1 when that gets going, and in comparison.

As you say

I used to stand in 110, so I know about the banter. 111, 110 and 109 over look the away fans at an angle, so there is always plenty of eye contact and verbals between both sets of fans. Lol! Whilst SSL1 is side on to the away fans, so that eye contact and interaction between the 2 sets of fans isn't there as much.

111, 110 and 109 isn't as vocal as it used to be. But it is improving again. It always turns up for the big matches. There isn't much singing and support from there for the lesser matches. 111, 110 and 109 is more if a reactionary singing section to the away fans, rather than constant and out and out singing and support. That isn't a pop at the fans in those blocks. I absolutely loved my time in 110. And I miss it like hell when it was like it was against West Ham on Saturday. :-)
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It difficult to hear either KC or SSL1 due to their location and lack of acoustics.

If SSL3/2 + 75% of SSL1 were all City fans, they'd be ABOVE away fans on two sides, and SURROUND them on two sides.

In military strategy, that is literally a position to 'Die For'

If 'banter' is an alternative to 'intimidate' my proposal wins, wins & wins again.

Call me old fashioned if you like but, i do fail, in the face of irrefutable fact, to understand why posters fail to understand the logic.

'When youth departs, may wisdom prevail' !!
 
BlueMoonRisin’ said:
It's not very quiet at all. Where do you sit, Coop arena? ; )
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He means youre pissing,i singing in the wind cos the rest of the ground cant hear a peep.

NOW......if you were altogethe in the SSL3, that might be a very differnt story.

Join the crusade BMR & bring your singers with you fame and glory may await !!
 
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