Nathan Ake

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Ashleymcduff said:
Ederson 37 million
Stones 50 million
Walker 50 million
Mendy 52 million
Ake 41 million
Cancelo 60 million
Danilo 27 million
Laporte 60 million
Angelino 10 million
Pedro Porro 10 million
Yan Couto 5 million
Phillip Sandler 2.5 million

plus the next centre half say KK FOR 75 Million

that’s 500 million
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Worth every penny!

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Ashleymcduff said:
I said the jury’s out meaning having kicked a ball ..
Ederson is a ok goalkeeper ,brilliant with his feet and brave ana suits the style of play , as a actual keeper shotstopping etc I think he’s not so good.

End of the day we’ve spent a lot of money on the defence since pep has been here and apart from

Laporte and Walker and ok ederson if we are including goalkeepers the rest have been flops .. I rate stones I’ve stuck up for him loads and I would of rather give him another season but everyone else has written him off and said he’s gone so he gets filled under the flop section same with mendy
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If you don’t think Ederson isn’t a very good shot stopper, you obviously haven’t watched much of Manchester City over the course of the last three seasons.
 
Ashleymcduff said:
Pep has spent 500 million on the defence and it’s still pony.
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dunno how serious this observation is supposed to be but

1) as others have noted we have the second fewest goals conceded in the league (and only 2 more than a liverpool side which plays 3 holding midfielders every game)

2) hypothetically we'd also have the best defensive record in serie a, and second best in the bundesliga

3) all this, despite missing our most important defender by a mile for two thirds of the season (again, for comparison, van dijk, robertson and arnold have missed 4 games between them).

of the defenders we've signed only 3 have been bad value for money, all down to specific circumstances. mendy's career has been blighted by injury (which pep couldn't have predicted). stones's form suffered because of his catastrophic personal life (which pep couldn't have predicted). jury's out on cancelo, but last couple of games at left back he's played well and seems to have turned a corner (off the top of my head, fernandinho, bernardo, sane and sterling all took a year or two to settle as well).
 
Ashleymcduff said:
Ederson 37 million
Stones 50 million
Walker 50 million
Mendy 52 million
Ake 41 million
Cancelo 60 million
Danilo 27 million
Laporte 60 million
Angelino 10 million
Pedro Porro 10 million
Yan Couto 5 million
Phillip Sandler 2.5 million

plus the next centre half say KK FOR 75 Million

that’s 500 million
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Nah, I make that 404.5 million plus 75 million = 479.5 million.

But point accepted.
 
Ashleymcduff said:
All of those Defenders have flopped or not played / good enough apart from

Laporte and Walker and then say Ake and say KK yet to play so jury is out !!



lol golden glove means nothing we won it with hart and demichalls and clichy ffs. It’s ok beating the cannon fodder 5-0 4-0 etc.

you not seen the silly goals we gave away all season ??
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Why do you bother supporting City?

All you do is slag off the club, the manager and the players.
 
I am ok with Ake signing, dont think he is any kind of huge upgrade on Stones or Otamendi.

No way he was more decent in a rubbish Bournemouth defence than Otamendi was at La Liga before we got him or when Stones played at Everton and was rated very highly. Higher than Ake now.

What happened is Stone and Otamendi are not reliable anymore at the very high level we need them to be.
stones had the chance to turn into a very strong CB but just did not happen here, he may find himself a bit lower level again, but you are just not confident him going up against Firmino, CR, Lewandowski, Vardy, Neymar etc nd do a proper job. And some complete mediocre attacker turned him around too plus struggling off the field too as per rumours, mentally and physically he has to be on top and he has not been on top in either.

While Otamendi is a really great defender imo , put him in a team that uses two defensive midfielders, dont play so high line like us, and imo he still has 2-3 year at the very top but not in a team/style like City.


But for City its not really the personnel of the defence matters, its the team defending, teamwork, higher up the pitch, the pressing, how quick we are to win the ball back, why can they just run through our midfield so easily without any tackles made which regularly puts the defenders in such awkward spots that makes them look really bad defenders even tho we paid high price for them recently and they are not bad but here they looko bad in this system.

That what Pep need to fix, refreshing the personnel could help somewhat, new energy but put Nathan Ake in those awful defensive comedy spots coming from mistakes in attacks, not being organized off the ball, not working extremely hard off the ball, easily lost balls on midfield etc and he will look sometimes a Championship player.

Van dijks partner Matip or Gomez is not better than Otamendi or Stones. But here in our defence all their weaknesses would be highlighted due to our system repeatedly. While there they are more than good to win PL or CL last year.
Pep needs to see this, and watch again how many times our defence was punished this season with very same pattern, and he certainly cannot put 100% of the blame on the defenders.

Ake will bring fresh energy, can be used in multiple positions, but when he sees opponents run through our midfield like hot knife in butter he will panic and make silly mistakes.
 
r.soleofsalford said:
Nathan Ake receiving lots of good wishes from Bournemouth fans. Mostly saying he`s a great bloke and the best player they`ve ever seen in the Cherries team.
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Yeah I read the same.
I have a feeling Pep and City really thought this transfer window through. They know Mendy need competition and they know we need a great back-up to Laporte, so a left-footed defender. That leaves pretty much Aké and Pau Torres. They’re not happy with our current english defender Stones so they found someone who ticks the homegrown-box. The bonus we got was Bournemouth got relegated so we got Aké for 40m instead of 60 or 70m which for a homegrown CB with his quality and age would be a more appropriate price tag.
So far so good. If only Koulibaly could come in and Garcia could pen the extension [ ;) ] , we’d have a world class back line. FINALLY
 
Damanino said:
Ake will bring fresh energy, can be used in multiple positions, but when he sees opponents run through our midfield like hot knife in butter he will panic and make silly mistakes.
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I think you’re wrong here. Aké has been excellent reading the game and stopping both Salah, Mané, Agüero and De Bruyne on multiple occasions. His style is quite similar to Koulibaly when defending. Very stable standing tackles, intercepts a lot and he time his slide tackles really well. He is not afraid of getting his hands dirty while Stones is afraid he’ll alter his haircut during a game. You have to realize these guys are just so different when defending. I don’t think I’ve even seen Stones make a few timely slide tackles in a game before. His style of play is waiting for the opponent to reach our penalty box and then make a halfass attempt to block the shot with his back. Stones is not our answer. Aké is.
 
skyblues said:
I think you’re wrong here. Aké has been excellent reading the game and stopping both Salah, Mané, Agüero and De Bruyne on multiple occasions. His style is quite similar to Koulibaly when defending. Very stable standing tackles, intercepts a lot and he times his slide tackles really well. He is not afraid of getting his hands dirty while Stones is afraid he’ll alter his haircut during a game. You have to realize these guys are just so different when defending. I don’t think I’ve even seen Stones make a few timely slide tackles in a game before. His style of play is waiting for the opponent to reach our penalty box and then make a halfass attempt to block the shot with his back. Stones is not our answer. Aké is.
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If Stones and Otamendi are the answer, the question is. Which City players make you shit yourself when our opponents are attacking our defense.
 
Damanino said:
I am ok with Ake signing, dont think he is any kind of huge upgrade on Stones or Otamendi.

No way he was more decent in a rubbish Bournemouth defence than Otamendi was at La Liga before we got him or when Stones played at Everton and was rated very highly. Higher than Ake now.

What happened is Stone and Otamendi are not reliable anymore at the very high level we need them to be.
stones had the chance to turn into a very strong CB but just did not happen here, he may find himself a bit lower level again, but you are just not confident him going up against Firmino, CR, Lewandowski, Vardy, Neymar etc nd do a proper job. And some complete mediocre attacker turned him around too plus struggling off the field too as per rumours, mentally and physically he has to be on top and he has not been on top in either.

While Otamendi is a really great defender imo , put him in a team that uses two defensive midfielders, dont play so high line like us, and imo he still has 2-3 year at the very top but not in a team/style like City.


But for City its not really the personnel of the defence matters, its the team defending, teamwork, higher up the pitch, the pressing, how quick we are to win the ball back, why can they just run through our midfield so easily without any tackles made which regularly puts the defenders in such awkward spots that makes them look really bad defenders even tho we paid high price for them recently and they are not bad but here they looko bad in this system.

That what Pep need to fix, refreshing the personnel could help somewhat, new energy but put Nathan Ake in those awful defensive comedy spots coming from mistakes in attacks, not being organized off the ball, not working extremely hard off the ball, easily lost balls on midfield etc and he will look sometimes a Championship player.

Van dijks partner Matip or Gomez is not better than Otamendi or Stones. But here in our defence all their weaknesses would be highlighted due to our system repeatedly. While there they are more than good to win PL or CL last year.
Pep needs to see this, and watch again how many times our defence was punished this season with very same pattern, and he certainly cannot put 100% of the blame on the defenders.

Ake will bring fresh energy, can be used in multiple positions, but when he sees opponents run through our midfield like hot knife in butter he will panic and make silly mistakes.
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Sorry but I had to stop reading after I read Otamendi is a really great defender,if diving in 3/4 up the pitch in his own half or sometimes the halfway line is your idea of defending then I think a majority wouldn’t want that mate I’m afraid,league one or two maybe but not in the top two leagues of this country is that any use at all.
 
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