Plaything of the gods said:There you go. Dragging your knuckles along the ground to express your opinion.Bilboblue said:Exeter Blue I am here said:Yup, good post. Some right knuckle draggers on here tonight though I'm afraid
Here we go again, nobody is allowed to voice their opinions unless it suits the mourners.
Exeter Blue I am here said:Bilboblue said:Exeter Blue I am here said:Yup, good post. Some right knuckle draggers on here tonight though I'm afraid
Here we go again, nobody is allowed to voice their opinions unless it suits the mourners.
Indeed. However, having read through, for example, Blue Underpants' contributions to this debate, I am of the opinion that his opinion isn't worth a fig. However, nowhere do I state that he is not entitled to his opinions, so what exactly are you bellyaching about?
Bluemoon115 said:]bobmcfc said:I don't know much about it personally but for all the hate coming his way I can only say this
Perhaps in the dark days of South Africa where you have no rights, no freedom and you are valued no higher than a dog then perhaps you live by a completely different set of rules. What do you do in a place where you are killed because of the colour of your skin, your women raped, your children beaten ? What do you do when nobody cares ? Who do you tell ? If I had to fight for my family against tyrany then I could honestly say regardless of my morals and values I WOULD kill. I'd say walk a day in that mans shoes and then judge his life. I bet he wishes things could have been different but that would have involved fairness and equality, something many have died for.
RIP Mandela
But by doing what a "normal" person would do, you cease to be extraordinary. Sanctioning the murder of innocent women and children makes you no better than those you oppose, which is why do many people are annoyed that his "legacy" doesn't represent the man he was.
Martin Luther King practiced loving his enemies, and began to win his war through words.
The Taliban feel the same way about their war as Mandela felt about his.
Bluemoon115 said:]bobmcfc said:I don't know much about it personally but for all the hate coming his way I can only say this
Perhaps in the dark days of South Africa where you have no rights, no freedom and you are valued no higher than a dog then perhaps you live by a completely different set of rules. What do you do in a place where you are killed because of the colour of your skin, your women raped, your children beaten ? What do you do when nobody cares ? Who do you tell ? If I had to fight for my family against tyrany then I could honestly say regardless of my morals and values I WOULD kill. I'd say walk a day in that mans shoes and then judge his life. I bet he wishes things could have been different but that would have involved fairness and equality, something many have died for.
RIP Mandela
But by doing what a "normal" person would do, you cease to be extraordinary. Sanctioning the murder of innocent women and children makes you no better than those you oppose, which is why do many people are annoyed that his "legacy" doesn't represent the man he was.
Martin Luther King practiced loving his enemies, and began to win his war through words.
The Taliban feel the same way about their war as Mandela felt about his.
ban-mcfc said:Bluemoon115 said:]bobmcfc said:I don't know much about it personally but for all the hate coming his way I can only say this
Perhaps in the dark days of South Africa where you have no rights, no freedom and you are valued no higher than a dog then perhaps you live by a completely different set of rules. What do you do in a place where you are killed because of the colour of your skin, your women raped, your children beaten ? What do you do when nobody cares ? Who do you tell ? If I had to fight for my family against tyrany then I could honestly say regardless of my morals and values I WOULD kill. I'd say walk a day in that mans shoes and then judge his life. I bet he wishes things could have been different but that would have involved fairness and equality, something many have died for.
RIP Mandela
But by doing what a "normal" person would do, you cease to be extraordinary. Sanctioning the murder of innocent women and children makes you no better than those you oppose, which is why do many people are annoyed that his "legacy" doesn't represent the man he was.
Martin Luther King practiced loving his enemies, and began to win his war through words.
The Taliban feel the same way about their war as Mandela felt about his.
Fantastic post.
Balti said:ban-mcfc said:Bluemoon115 said:]
But by doing what a "normal" person would do, you cease to be extraordinary. Sanctioning the murder of innocent women and children makes you no better than those you oppose, which is why do many people are annoyed that his "legacy" doesn't represent the man he was.
Martin Luther King practiced loving his enemies, and began to win his war through words.
The Taliban feel the same way about their war as Mandela felt about his.
Fantastic post.
I can just see the taliban establishing a truth and reconciliation commission just like Mandela
fpmsl
ban-mcfc said:Balti said:ban-mcfc said:Fantastic post.
I can just see the taliban establishing a truth and reconciliation commission just like Mandela
fpmsl
I can envisage the Taliban bombing innocent women and kids...Oh no wait they already have, just like Mandela.
I have 0, fucking 0 respect for anyone knowledgeable enough who supports this ****, the world's lost a monster.
Balti said:ban-mcfc said:Balti said:I can just see the taliban establishing a truth and reconciliation commission just like Mandela
fpmsl
I can envisage the Taliban bombing innocent women and kids...Oh no wait they already have, just like Mandela.
I have 0, fucking 0 respect for anyone knowledgeable enough who supports this ****, the world's lost a monster.
wow
just wow
ban-mcfc said:Balti said:ban-mcfc said:I can envisage the Taliban bombing innocent women and kids...Oh no wait they already have, just like Mandela.
I have 0, fucking 0 respect for anyone knowledgeable enough who supports this ****, the world's lost a monster.
wow
just wow
"Wow" all you want and continue to be a sheep, doesn't change the fact innocent people were killed.
What are your views on the IRA?
Cheers mate anybody who has a chance should have a look at S,A it really is a stunning country hate what's going on now because I fear the worst for it better education might help, if only people could get along with each other but suppose that's to much to ask. Never mind i'll do my best to get on wiv the Germans next week.Balti said:i kne albert davy said:Though working out there in the 1980s I know a few friends and colleagues who's lives were adversely affected by Mandela coming to power, but it was obviously coming the winds of change and all that, mainly it was down to them nasty Americans turning the sanction screw on South Africa.
For anyone who's been they will know how beautiful a country it is and should big enough to give all there a good living. Unfortunately at the moment and its no good shying away from the fact the majority population won't make a good job of running the country and as a nation its probably downhill from here because whatever you say about Mandela he did keep a bit of a lid on things. As for minutes silence why we would have one over here i'm struggling to understand do we have one if a U.S. president passes away or a German one no I think this is driven by the T.V. saint makers if we do have a minutes silence then i'll observe it like I would any minutes silence out of respect for others I struggle with the reasons behind it though.
spot on...beautiful country but only going one way from here on in it seems sadly
on the news they are talking about his legacy but not mentioning the current crime stats which include a very high murder rate by global standards and one of the very highest rape rates in the world
a quarter of south africans are unemployed...I'll give you one guess where the problem lies there.....
south africa is believed to have more people with HIV than anywhere else in the world etc etc
listen I know it was going to be supremely difficult but I'm struggling to see what progress has been made under Mandelas stewardship regardless of what an icon he was and what he represented in terms of the end of apartheid which was all good of course
it is still a divided nation boys and girls
go and check it out while you can
You're saying Mandela bombed innocent women and children? Do you think you are knowledgeable?ban-mcfc said:Balti said:ban-mcfc said:Fantastic post.
I can just see the taliban establishing a truth and reconciliation commission just like Mandela
fpmsl
I can envisage the Taliban bombing innocent women and kids...Oh no wait they already have, just like Mandela.
I have 0, fucking 0 respect for anyone knowledgeable enough who supports this ****, the world's lost a monster.
You don't half talk some bollocks on hereban-mcfc said:Balti said:ban-mcfc said:Fantastic post.
I can just see the taliban establishing a truth and reconciliation commission just like Mandela
fpmsl
I can envisage the Taliban bombing innocent women and kids...Oh no wait they already have, just like Mandela.
I have 0, fucking 0 respect for anyone knowledgeable enough who supports this ****, the world's lost a monster.