stonerblue said:
BimboBob said:
nijinsky's fetlocks said:
Even on a thread already overburdened with stupidity, you still manage to surpass what has gone before.
I always considered BB2 to be irreplaceable in the imbecility stakes, but in you we have a new contender.
Even I, a person who can see both sides of the argument, am a little shocked and saddened by these comments Ban.
Are you going to post any stat's to verify the claims you made earlier in this thread Bob?
Oh do I have to?
UN Crimes against Humanity commission.
South Africa's Truth and Reconciliation Commission.
Both agreed that of the 21000 or so people killed in the Apartheid era only around 500 people's deaths were due to South Africa's security forces. Horrific I know and completely hard to verify due to the sheer amount of people who just disappeared. We will never know the complete total of people who were killed on both sides in this conflict.
Don't forget, Mandela refused to renounce the violence that his leadership of the MK, the military wing of the ANC, carried out. This included bombings of strategic transport and infrastructure buildings such as power lines and train stations packed with innocent people.
His refusal, or inability, to rein in his first Wife, is also particularly galling especially as her trial was a complete sham.
Still, he did help South Africa break Apartheid, although his role was more as a figurehead, as the real push came from the sanctions that were slowly killing the country and foreign powers.
He then became the countries first black president...for one term and then stepped down. Was he any good? The jury is still out on that I am afraid. He promised a lot but delivered very little. I will stick up for him here though, it would have been a fantastically hard job to even achieve one of his promises given the state of the country he took charge of.
And then...
Ground Force did his garden up, and he promoted peace the world over. Don't get me wrong, in his later years he came across as a very sincere and caring person. Everyone who he met said he had a great sense of humour and was very welcoming. I actually liked the man I just can't get my head around the fact that his previous career has been glossed over so much.
He, indirectly, murdered hundreds if not thousands, without ever saying sorry.
That to me is not the mark of a great man.
Which is a great pity.
