mcfcliam said:
Damocles said:
It's embarrassing that we have 'fans' like the OP. You don't understand what City are, nor appreciate the history of this club. You're as big as an embarrassment to the club as the Green and Gold are to United. You run off ranting to yourself without a trace of irony whilst SPECTACULARLY missing the point of why City are special and what differentiates us from those over the road.
You can fuck off, you two faced prick.
PM'ing me a while back saying sorry for outbursts and now resorting to insults again.
Sometimes, I write a post on here, walk away and think "hmm...that was probably a bit over the top, I'll go and apologise". This doesn't mean that I'll never have a pop at you again for talking shit.
My point stands. This is about the 6th (just from memory) "I'm a bigger blue" thread that you've started. You miss the point of City, the entire ethos of the club for a hundred years.
I don't know why you continually miss the point and the dismiss the history of this Club. Honestly, I think it's because your Dad took you to matches a lot and you class this as "going to the match". When we were in Division Two, how old were you? About 8?
My point, is that whilst you were physically there, you could not possibly have had any understanding of what it meant to be a fan at that age. Nobody does when they're 8, football fandom may as well be Cowboys vs Indians at that age.
You've probably seen us properly from Pearce onwards, which is fine, but during that time for some reason, you haven't understood what City are because we've pretty much been a middling club around this time. Yes, we fought relegation once or twice but mainly we were challenging for UEFA Cup spots or a top half finish.
One of the reasons why United fans are such wankers, is that they segregate their fanbase and are so fucking anal about what constitutes a "propa fan". They have divisions. Pre 92, Pre 86, Post 99, post 08. They segregate their fans and 'rate' their level of support by when they started supporting. This is fucking ridiculous and arrogant. Who are THEY to determine what is ok and what is not in terms of football fandom? Who the fuck are THEY to woman at people for having a good time?
I hate this whole bullshit about what constitutes a "propa fan" and how prevalent it has become recently. You're like those guy who are pissed because their favourite band has become mainstream; hipster, I think is the word people use.
This club has always been about acceptance of anybody who wants to take up the mantle of City, no matter who they are, where they come from, and what they do with their lives. The founding fathers of this club set it up FOR THAT VERY REASON. We've always welcomed any new fans with open arms and we've never disparaged them because they didn't happen to find the wonderful world of City before that particular time. The rags are the ones who played the bigger fan bollocks, we accepted anybody because we knew that they shared the ride with us, for better or for worse.
Thinking more about it, I disagree with this whole logic of "gloryhunter". You guys understand that they don't tend to show Stoke vs Wigan much in the US? It's all games involving the top teams. How were they meant to pick us up without ever having the chance to watch us?
Invariably, people sit and watch a team and build an admiration for something. This is why Arsenal have so many foreign fans, because they played fantastic football which attracted people to watch them more and then learn about the club. This is why Wigan don't, they aren't attractive except possibly as an underdog.
This building admiration is exactly what been a fan is. I mean at the very core of the idea of fandom, is that you build an admiration for something that eventually becomes an obsession.
Some people didn't have the luxury to be born inside of the M60. Some didn't have the privilege to have a father or brother was was in to football. Does this mean that they are permanently stuck in the footballing ether? Why? Who says?
You show me fans who get up at 3am on a workday to get into a pub at 4am to watch a match, then go and work a 12 hour shift afterwards, and then show me a guy who lives 10 minutes from the ground and attends 20 games a season and I'll point out who is REALLY making sacrifices to follow the team that they want.
This whole thing is bullshit. I don't care where you are from. I don't care how long you have supported City. If you say you're a City fan, then you're alright by me. The moment we start to divide ourselves into subsections is the moment that our worryingly quickening slide into becoming United fans is finally complete.
Everybody has always been welcome at City, and I wouldn't change that for the world. Those who are in the "but I won't get a ticket!" brigade should probably ask why you deserve a ticket when you haven't got any loyalty points.