Newcastle (a) post match thread

[BimboBob]

Not if he hits it past you more times than you hit it past him you won't

Damn you and your sporting knowledge.

 

[Craig]

Fatigue for me.

Competing in 4 competitions sounds great, but all of these games are having a major effect physically but moreso mentally. We’ve already played 38 games and playing 4 games since Liverpool last played is a crazy stat. I don’t think we’ve had the same intensity this season in a lot of games. In the 3 games against Palace, Leicester & Newcastle, we were 1 up and completely eased off.

Fernandinho and David Silva have been unbelievable for us, but both are 33 years old, should they really be expected to be put in top class performances on a weekly basis at this stage of their careeers? I think it may be a season too far for that type of demand on 33 year old centre midfielders. I just don’t feel we have the same energy in the team that we did last season.

Not addressing the defensive midfielder and left back depth issues in the summer is beginning to prove costly.

We really can't blame fatigue or being in 4 competitions for that shit show. Look at the games we've had since the complete stroll against Wolves. Plenty of time between them, a virtual friendly, a walking pace 2nd half against Huddersfield. Loads of rotation for the matches. We were still in 4 comps at this stage last season and it wasn't a problem then... Only strange thing is how we never really kick on in the transfer market each year after winning the league. We don't seem to learn on that front.

 

[stonerblue]

I have not witnessed Mahrez take on a man and beat him since he arrived

Was saying similar to this in the Mahrez thread.

 

[Craig]

Was saying similar to this in the Mahrez thread.

Not disagreeing he's been a disappointment so far but the point remains after taking off 2 of our only players who can go past people and needing 2 goals against a team with a parked but he was the only real decent option at that stage. He's certainly got the ability to make something happen out of nothing. Unless we have already decided to completely right him off after an average first 6 months.

 

[kaz7]

So much money spent on defending and we still have problems defending. These useless second balls in front of goal, you just know it will end up in the back of the net.
Ederson is starting to look like another Bravo. Is he able to save anything, other than what is expected of him? He is not a world class keeper. Both Alisson, De Gea, Lloris and a lot of keepers are better. The feet? Sure Ederson is the best, but the feet is only a part of it. I hope Zack Steffen will become our number 1 next season. I'm starting to lose faith in Ederson. Crystal Palace, Leicester, Newcastle. He has to start showing his worth, more than just playing out from the back. We need a fkng keeper. Their job is to save the team when the defenders screw up.

Lol load of crap

 

[ctid1894]

We really can't blame fatigue or being in 4 competitions for that shit show. Look at the games we've had since the complete stroll against Wolves. Plenty of time between them, a virtual friendly, a walking pace 2nd half against Huddersfield. Loads of rotation for the matches. We were still in 4 comps at this stage last season and it wasn't a problem then... Only strange thing is how we never really kick on in the transfer market each year after winning the league. We don't seem to learn on that front.

Big difference is last season didn’t have the World Cup leading up to it meaning the players had no rest in the summer (physically or mentally).

You know when someone like Kyle Walker falls off a cliff edge in terms of physicality you know you’re in big trouble, there’s just no way it’s not affecting other players as well. Liverpool are out of both domestic cup competition and we’re at a very early stage. That’s a huge advantage when it comes to the league.

Personally I would play the kids, literally all the kids, no first team players even in the squad unless they needed game time recovering from an injury in the league cup. Maybe even the early rounds of the FA Cup, although I wouldn’t want to risk getting knocked out so it would have to be more balanced.

 

[supercity88]

What on earth makes you think we are good enough to win the CL? I’d say that was as close to our strongest possible team last night

You can't look at one game and decide whether we can or can't win a competition. Liverpool got to the final last year whilst we managed to finish 25pts and 3 places higher than them in the league.

Over two legs we can beat anyone. We can beat Schalke and then we are into the quarters. Anything can happen in the CL. There are plenty of teams in transition this season. No real standout side. Real have declined. Barca aren't unbeatable. Atletico and Juve are strong but both can be beaten. Bayern, Dortmund and PSG aren't any stronger than City.

That side we played last night blew most teams away last season on its way to 100pts. We fell apart at Anfield yet were a bad offside call away from being 2-0 up with plenty of time to claw that tie back.

Still got plenty of belief. De Bruyne being fit and on the pitch makes a huge difference. He will be fuming that after going off the team lost that game.

 

[Craig]

Big difference is last season didn’t have the World Cup leading up to it meaning the players had no rest in the summer (physically or mentally).

You know when someone like Kyle Walker falls off a cliff edge in terms of physicality you know you’re in big trouble, there’s just no way it’s not affecting other players as well. Liverpool are out of both domestic cup competition and we’re at a very early stage. That’s a huge advantage when it comes to the league.

Personally I would play the kids, literally all the kids, no first team players even in the squad unless they needed game time recovering from an injury in the league cup. Maybe even the early rounds of the FA Cup, although I wouldn’t want to risk getting knocked out so it would have to be more balanced.

But he put out weak teams in the early rounds of the league cup. We've got 4 midfielders for 4 positions and that's not including Foden, the strikers keep swapping from game top game. It's just not an excuse for last night after a run of easy games. Walker can't fucking control a ball whilst nobody is within 15 yards of him consistently. If that's down to tiredness then it really is time to give up, they train every bloody day and they'll have had harder training sessions than most these recent matches.Taking it too easy and starting games with barely any tempo is a what's caught

Stangely Ronaldo and Messi seem to cope with constantly playing for about 15 years.

 

[stonerblue]

Not disagreeing he's been a disappointment so far but the point remains after taking off 2 of our only players who can go past people and needing 2 goals against a team with a parked but he was the only real decent option at that stage. He's certainly got the ability to make something happen out of nothing. Unless we have already decided to completely right him off after an average first 6 months.

Agreed.

 

[MeatHunterrr]

You can't look at one game and decide whether we can or can't win a competition. Liverpool got to the final last year whilst we managed to finish 25pts and 3 places higher than them in the league.

Over two legs we can beat anyone. We can beat Schalke and then we are into the quarters. Anything can happen in the CL. There are plenty of teams in transition this season. No real standout side. Real have declined. Barca aren't unbeatable. Atletico and Juve are strong but both can be beaten. Bayern, Dortmund and PSG aren't any stronger than City.

That side we played last night blew most teams away last season on its way to 100pts. We fell apart at Anfield yet were a bad offside call away from being 2-0 up with plenty of time to claw that tie back.

Still got plenty of belief. De Bruyne being fit and on the pitch makes a huge difference. He will be fuming that after going off the team lost that game.

CL is all about mentality and every time we play in CL against tricky team we are very nervous, can barely string 3 passes together and look like being 1 mistake away from completely collapsing. I don't hold much hope for winning the CL, you never know of course but just cant see it.

 

[paulchapo]

We can't use fatigue as an excise, Pep has rotated well, some players have been rested for two games lately. After winning the title some players just don't appear to have the mental toughness to dig in and grind out the results. It happens with a lot of title winners which is why no one has retained it for years.

Certain players have dropped off the pace badly lately and our key players from the last few seasons are sadly started to feel the effects of father time. On paper the title isn't over but in reality I fear it is, I just don't think we have the hunger in the belly to claw it back and this year the dippers won't let it slip either.

 

[The Black Shed]

And there's me spouting off about oozing class again, looking like we might not lose another game this season, could go really close to winning all four trophies blah, blah. In a nutshell we had three really decent chances to get the ball sack bulging and put the game to bed. And we hit their keeper or defenders. Got to score those, simple. They have two efforts on target, two goals. Palace had three on target, three goals etc etc. If only we were so clinical! I didn't think it was a pen

 

[kaz7]

Now the trolls have fucked off

I posted at 1-0 i felt nervous,i knew we were going to lose the game,the vibe was all wrong,having said that if the ref hadn't have disallowed a perfectly good goal we would have been ok,is there a new rule that you can't take a quick free kick,never seen a ref do that before and doubt it'll ever happen again,the title has gone,i never thought we would crumble this season,it's a shame

 

[jimharri]

I wonder how training was this morning; I'd have had the fuckers out shovelling snow off the areas surrounding the stadium.

 

[meltonblue]

Now the trolls have fucked off

I posted at 1-0 i felt nervous,i knew we were going to lose the game,the vibe was all wrong,having said that if the ref hadn't have disallowed a perfectly good goal we would have been ok,is there a new rule that you can't take a quick free kick,never seen a ref do that before and doubt it'll ever happen again,the title has gone,i never thought we would crumble this season,it's a shame

To be fair, that’s always been the case - if he says wait for my whistle then the kick can’t be taken.

In terms of last night, I had the same feeling too. I don’t think the early goal helped really as we didn’t get into any rhythm as we didn’t need to spend time settling into the game and looking for it. That and when a team is that deep and plays with a bank of five and four, the passing has to be completely on it and Silva in particular I thought really struggled.

 

[come-on-barney]

Still don't understand the substitutions last night. Bringing Sane off was a bad call, bringing Gundogan on to change the game an even worse one.

Nearly every time he brings Sane off we end up with a bad result.

 

[East Level 2]

Shite performance, and topped off by several of our under-performing jokers fucking off down the tunnel at full time rather than acknowledging those of us who bothered to travel.
We needed a deputy for Dino and a reliable full back or two, yet all we did in the summer was spend a lot of money on a player for a position that was not a top priority.
Can't see the Dippers dropping points as the rags did in 2012, but we live in hope. And we've still got three cups to aim for.

 

[CityFan94]

We really can't blame fatigue or being in 4 competitions for that shit show. Look at the games we've had since the complete stroll against Wolves. Plenty of time between them, a virtual friendly, a walking pace 2nd half against Huddersfield. Loads of rotation for the matches. We were still in 4 comps at this stage last season and it wasn't a problem then... Only strange thing is how we never really kick on in the transfer market each year after winning the league. We don't seem to learn on that front.

I just get the feeling we’re mentally fatigued, coming off the back of the World Cup probably something to do with it. The amount of games, lack of rest, the intensity which Pep wants us to press, the intensity of Pep’s management. It all adds up I think, combined with a few key players in the middle of the park being 33.

You’re bang on about not kicking on in the transfer market.

Last summer is looking a bit strange now. Did we really need Mahrez? We obviously didn’t need an overhaul, but depth at left back and holding midfield was clearly needed and we didn’t get it.

 

[MCFCTrick]

Forgive my ignorance on the game's rules, but wasn't disallowing the goal, and booking KDB two punishments for one offence?

 

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

Forgive my ignorance on the game's rules, but wasn't disallowing the goal, and booking KDB two punishments for one offence?

Disallowing a goal isn't a punishment, it's application of the rules. I can understand why that was done, but booking the player was tedious. Then again he got away with a poor tackle later so all in all, fair I think.