Newcastle Thread - 2022/23

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theolivegrove said:
hello sir, hope you're well.
I'll address your reply in two parts.
for fourteen years newcastle's owner steadfastly refused to communicate with its support in any way, shape or form. the fans forum meetings it was obliged to hold were regularly cancelled and never rescheduled, the ones that did take place were worthless anyway, no dissenting voices were allowed, the members vetted to ensure that, including the banning of the n.u.s.t. on the odd occasion an ashley criticism was voiced it was omitted from the minutes. the closest we came to any sort of communication from the club in nearly a decade and a half was to witness yet another thousand sports direct logos plastered on the foundations, stands and roof (unpaid for) of the ground he'd turned in to a giant advertising hoarding for his fucking tat shop.
I'm aware newcastle were one of the clubs that signed the letter to prompt an investigation in to man city's finances, but rest assured that'll have been by ashley and his little bald lickspittle lee charnley. to suggest any input was made by newcastle's support in this is frankly ludicrous.
and yes I do blame ashley for every single shit, soul destroying and vindictive fuck up he made at MY club throughout his tenure. I hope the fat piece of human scum falls in to a skip full of razor wire. :)
I don't care mate what other clubs support thinks of newcastle, to be honest I haven't got a great deal of love for anybody else other than us anyway, that's the way it's always been and I'm an old bastard now! in fairness, other than a banner at crystal palace I haven't really encountered any hostility since our takeover at a match. online though is an altogether different matter, most obviously from our nearest and dearest. they've racked up over100,000 posts on the smb since october 7th last year about their angst regarding human rights issues. odd really coming from the most insular, bigoted, hovel of a town in the country. the reality is the wearside branch of amnesty international has amassed 150 facebook followers since 2014 and its twitter account 70 since 2017 with no increase in the last 14 months. you could almost be forgiven for thinking that the average sunderland supporter's moral outrage was more about newcastle potentially having a decent football team? finally, the only other clubs support to rival the bile and hatred aimed at us by the mackems is that of liverpools. some of the stuff I've read on rawk is truly fucking headspinning. apparently I'm (or rather we are) a supporter of and condone amongst other things, beheadings, dismemberment, stonings, war atrocities and I have blood soaked hands. for any scouse looking in... we might have had a few pissed up bellends who stuck a tea towel on their head when the takeover went through, the rest of us though are decent, normal people. it's not our job to be the guardians of sporting morality, that was sold a long time ago. our hands are clean, I know of no newcastle supporter that's killed anybody at a football match, liverpool supporters though, most definitely have.
apologies for the long post, look forward to visiting the etihad in march and this time hopefully providing you some competition!
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Its early days for Newcastle , wait until you start picking up trophies , the hate for your club will increase ten fold , we used to be a lot of peoples inoffensive second club , galant losers , die hard fans following our club up and down the leagues.
That has all changed now , we now have shit support , didnt support our team when we were shite and are state owned oil club , really hope Eddie Howe brings your club success if its only to put up a big two fingers to the likes of the Dippers and Rags , they have so many self entitled plastic fans , it would be brilliant for Newcastle to be another thorn in their side.
But if you win a Champs league before us you wont have any friends on this forum :)
 
This is from Newcastle Fan TV, he's just got back from covering Newcastle's warm weather wotsit in Saudi...



Clearly they're feeling the pressure, but don't have a clue how to deal with it.

Oh, and they're getting very, very giddy....

 
theolivegrove said:
hello sir, hope you're well.
I'll address your reply in two parts.
for fourteen years newcastle's owner steadfastly refused to communicate with its support in any way, shape or form. the fans forum meetings it was obliged to hold were regularly cancelled and never rescheduled, the ones that did take place were worthless anyway, no dissenting voices were allowed, the members vetted to ensure that, including the banning of the n.u.s.t. on the odd occasion an ashley criticism was voiced it was omitted from the minutes. the closest we came to any sort of communication from the club in nearly a decade and a half was to witness yet another thousand sports direct logos plastered on the foundations, stands and roof (unpaid for) of the ground he'd turned in to a giant advertising hoarding for his fucking tat shop.
I'm aware newcastle were one of the clubs that signed the letter to prompt an investigation in to man city's finances, but rest assured that'll have been by ashley and his little bald lickspittle lee charnley. to suggest any input was made by newcastle's support in this is frankly ludicrous.
and yes I do blame ashley for every single shit, soul destroying and vindictive fuck up he made at MY club throughout his tenure. I hope the fat piece of human scum falls in to a skip full of razor wire. :)
I don't care mate what other clubs support thinks of newcastle, to be honest I haven't got a great deal of love for anybody else other than us anyway, that's the way it's always been and I'm an old bastard now! in fairness, other than a banner at crystal palace I haven't really encountered any hostility since our takeover at a match. online though is an altogether different matter, most obviously from our nearest and dearest. they've racked up over100,000 posts on the smb since october 7th last year about their angst regarding human rights issues. odd really coming from the most insular, bigoted, hovel of a town in the country. the reality is the wearside branch of amnesty international has amassed 150 facebook followers since 2014 and its twitter account 70 since 2017 with no increase in the last 14 months. you could almost be forgiven for thinking that the average sunderland supporter's moral outrage was more about newcastle potentially having a decent football team? finally, the only other clubs support to rival the bile and hatred aimed at us by the mackems is that of liverpools. some of the stuff I've read on rawk is truly fucking headspinning. apparently I'm (or rather we are) a supporter of and condone amongst other things, beheadings, dismemberment, stonings, war atrocities and I have blood soaked hands. for any scouse looking in... we might have had a few pissed up bellends who stuck a tea towel on their head when the takeover went through, the rest of us though are decent, normal people. it's not our job to be the guardians of sporting morality, that was sold a long time ago. our hands are clean, I know of no newcastle supporter that's killed anybody at a football match, liverpool supporters though, most definitely have.
apologies for the long post, look forward to visiting the etihad in march and this time hopefully providing you some competition!
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Newcastle did NOT call for an investigation into City’s finances. That letter signed by the hateful eight plus one called for City to be SUSPENDED WITHOUT COMPLETION of the INVESTIGATION. Due process was not necessary apparently because Liverpool said we cheated and that was good enough. At the time Newcastle signed that letter, they already had notice of CAS’s view that “City cannot hope for a fair hearing while Leterme is in the chair”
Guess who chaired the investigation?
Newcastle’s desire to see City punished without due process on the basis of what CAS called “No evidence” (12 times) is a big black mark on their escutcheon. Let’s hope for their sake they are never falsely accused of something by Liverpool and all the US Redshirts. (Don’t bank on it). If they find themselves in that position, fuck them. Alternatively, they could always apologise or don’t geordies know how to do that?
 
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KS55 said:
Newcastle did NOT call for an investigation into City’s finances. That letter signed by the hateful eight plus one called for City to be SUSPENDED WITHOUT COMPLETION of the INVESTIGATION. Due process was not necessary apparently because Liverpool said we cheated and that was good enough. At the time Newcastle signed that letter, they already had notice of CAS’s view that “City cannot hope for a fair hearing while Leterme is in the chair”
Guess who chaired the investigation?
Newcastle’s desire to see City punished without due process on the basis of what CAS called “No evidence” (12 times) is a big black mark on their escutcheon. Let’s hope for their sake they are never falsely accused of something by Liverpool and all the US Redshirts. (Don’t bank on it). If they find themselves in that position, fuck them. Alternatively, they could always apologise or don’t geordies know how to do that?
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Who do you want to apologise, and who to? The fans that had nothing to do with it, or the current owners that had nothing to do with it?
 
KS55 said:
Newcastle did NOT call for an investigation into City’s finances. That letter signed by the hateful eight plus one called for City to be SUSPENDED WITHOUT COMPLETION of the INVESTIGATION. Due process was not necessary apparently because Liverpool said we cheated and that was good enough. At the time Newcastle signed that letter, they already had notice of CAS’s view that “City cannot hope for a fair hearing while Leterme is in the chair”



Guess who chaired the investigation?



Newcastle’s desire to see City punished without due process on the basis of what CAS called “No evidence” (12 times) is a big black mark on their escutcheon. Let’s hope for their sake they are never falsely accused of something by Liverpool and all the US Redshirts. (Don’t bank on it). If they find themselves in that position, fuck them. Alternatively, they could always apologise or don’t geordies know how to do that?
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KS55 said:
Newcastle did NOT call for an investigation into City’s finances. That letter signed by the hateful eight plus one called for City to be SUSPENDED WITHOUT COMPLETION of the INVESTIGATION. Due process was not necessary apparently because Liverpool said we cheated and that was good enough. At the time Newcastle signed that letter, they already had notice of CAS’s view that “City cannot hope for a fair hearing while Leterme is in the chair”
Guess who chaired the investigation?
Newcastle’s desire to see City punished without due process on the basis of what CAS called “No evidence” (12 times) is a big black mark on their escutcheon. Let’s hope for their sake they are never falsely accused of something by Liverpool and all the US Redshirts. (Don’t bank on it). If they find themselves in that position, fuck them. Alternatively, they could always apologise or don’t geordies know how to do that?
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I'm not entirely sure what you want the geordies to apologise for?
we had an owner who was that hated he would only turn up at the club to watch his team once in a blue moon (excuse the pun) and then accompanied by a minder the size of a gable end of a house. he'd smirk in open contemp at the supporters of the club, the people of a city he was quite happy to stamp all over the heritage of. he treated club legends like keegan and shearer like shite, likewise a decent man in chris hughton. he treated jonas gutierrez like shite when he had testicular cancer. he ladened the club with debt to himself for his own fucks up in getting us relegated twice by employing a lunatic in joe kinnear (twice) and steve mcclaren, who was by then well down the road of failure.
he employed lee charnley as managing director, a former tea boy who pinned the reserve team sheets up in the changing rooms. other than that, he had two of his mates apparently NOT employed by the club, but never a fucking way from it, keith bishop a second rate pr guru in crisis management for 'c' list nobodies who would bizarrely sit in on pre match conferences and justin barnes an 'abrasive lawyer' who he had a history of falling out with, who somehow, despite having had no previous experience in football, was involved in transfer negotiations, which were usually none.
I'm genuinely not picking a fight with you here mate, on the contrary, I can appreciate your resentment towards the hateful eight. I already resent a couple of clubs who (allegedly) apparently lobbied the premier league very vocally to block newcastle's takeover because it threatened their position at the top table. I'm sure we would've heard more on this at our own CAT case had it ran its course.
but there's no way me as a geordie has any intention of apologising for anything a fat, narcissistic **** like mike ashley has done. or the fucking useless, sycophantic dross he surrounded himself with. :)
 
theolivegrove said:
I'm not entirely sure what you want the geordies to apologise for?
we had an owner who was that hated he would only turn up at the club to watch his team once in a blue moon (excuse the pun) and then accompanied by a minder the size of a gable end of a house. he'd smirk in open contemp at the supporters of the club, the people of a city he was quite happy to stamp all over the heritage of. he treated club legends like keegan and shearer like shite, likewise a decent man in chris hughton. he treated jonas gutierrez like shite when he had testicular cancer. he ladened the club with debt to himself for his own fucks up in getting us relegated twice by employing a lunatic in joe kinnear (twice) and steve mcclaren, who was by then well down the road of failure.
he employed lee charnley as managing director, a former tea boy who pinned the reserve team sheets up in the changing rooms. other than that, he had two of his mates apparently NOT employed by the club, but never a fucking way from it, keith bishop a second rate pr guru in crisis management for 'c' list nobodies who would bizarrely sit in on pre match conferences and justin barnes an 'abrasive lawyer' who he had a history of falling out with, who somehow, despite having had no previous experience in football, was involved in transfer negotiations, which were usually none.
I'm genuinely not picking a fight with you here mate, on the contrary, I can appreciate your resentment towards the hateful eight. I already resent a couple of clubs who (allegedly) apparently lobbied the premier league very vocally to block newcastle's takeover because it threatened their position at the top table. I'm sure we would've heard more on this at our own CAT case had it ran its course.
but there's no way me as a geordie has any intention of apologising for anything a fat, narcissistic **** like mike ashley has done. or the fucking useless, sycophantic dross he surrounded himself with. :)
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The legal entity that signed that letter was NUFC. Successors who own NUFC could make a welcome gesture and set the record straight. So could all the others, come to that.
Our owners have not forgotten. Their relationship with Amanda would be strengthened thereby and NUFC might need them one day in a fight with the PL who will find a reason to hound you.
Its not a big deal to send a letter.
 
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KS55 said:
The legal entity that signed that letter was NUFC. Successors could make a welcome gesture.
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I'm not arsed really, it was both sets of American owned red shite that instigated it and coerced the six others onto backing it - much as I'm saddened to say they did with us and the super league bollocks.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
I'm not arsed really, it was both sets of American owned red shite that instigated it and coerced the six others onto backing it - much as I'm saddened to say they did with us and the super league bollocks.
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No, but our owners have said openly that they have not forgotten which clubs signed.
I bet that AD intelligence has all the low down on every club!
 
KS55 said:
The legal entity that signed that letter was NUFC. Successors who own NUFC could make a welcome gesture and set the record straight. So could all the others, come to that.
Our owners have not forgotten. Their relationship with Amanda would be strengthened thereby and NUFC might need them one day in a fight with the PL who will find a reason to hound you.
Its not a big deal to send a letter.
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you may very well have a point there. think man city abstained in a vote to curtail any future sponsorship deals we might have, not so all the other clubs on the grounds it could be illegal?
don't hold your breath though waiting for any kind of apology for ashley's involvement..... please! :)
 
KS55 said:
No, but our owners have said openly that they have not forgotten which clubs signed.
I bet that AD intelligence has all the low down on every club!
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I'm sure you're right, but nufc have done nothing more than help continue to make inward investment from wealthy owners difficult so I'm sure it has and will continue to slow them down and bite them on the arse - karma. Having said that, their new owners do seem more willing to question investment (ffp) rules and tell folk to fuck off than ours ever did.
 
KS55 said:
Newcastle did NOT call for an investigation into City’s finances. That letter signed by the hateful eight plus one called for City to be SUSPENDED WITHOUT COMPLETION of the INVESTIGATION. Due process was not necessary apparently because Liverpool said we cheated and that was good enough. At the time Newcastle signed that letter, they already had notice of CAS’s view that “City cannot hope for a fair hearing while Leterme is in the chair”
Guess who chaired the investigation?
Newcastle’s desire to see City punished without due process on the basis of what CAS called “No evidence” (12 times) is a big black mark on their escutcheon. Let’s hope for their sake they are never falsely accused of something by Liverpool and all the US Redshirts. (Don’t bank on it). If they find themselves in that position, fuck them. Alternatively, they could always apologise or don’t geordies know how to do that?
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Worth noting that Newcastle isn’t a person. Whoever made that decision is very likely no longer at the club. The current ownership therefore are nothing to do with that letter.
 
theolivegrove said:
I'm not entirely sure what you want the geordies to apologise for?
we had an owner who was that hated he would only turn up at the club to watch his team once in a blue moon (excuse the pun) and then accompanied by a minder the size of a gable end of a house. he'd smirk in open contemp at the supporters of the club, the people of a city he was quite happy to stamp all over the heritage of. he treated club legends like keegan and shearer like shite, likewise a decent man in chris hughton. he treated jonas gutierrez like shite when he had testicular cancer. he ladened the club with debt to himself for his own fucks up in getting us relegated twice by employing a lunatic in joe kinnear (twice) and steve mcclaren, who was by then well down the road of failure.
he employed lee charnley as managing director, a former tea boy who pinned the reserve team sheets up in the changing rooms. other than that, he had two of his mates apparently NOT employed by the club, but never a fucking way from it, keith bishop a second rate pr guru in crisis management for 'c' list nobodies who would bizarrely sit in on pre match conferences and justin barnes an 'abrasive lawyer' who he had a history of falling out with, who somehow, despite having had no previous experience in football, was involved in transfer negotiations, which were usually none.
I'm genuinely not picking a fight with you here mate, on the contrary, I can appreciate your resentment towards the hateful eight. I already resent a couple of clubs who (allegedly) apparently lobbied the premier league very vocally to block newcastle's takeover because it threatened their position at the top table. I'm sure we would've heard more on this at our own CAT case had it ran its course.
but there's no way me as a geordie has any intention of apologising for anything a fat, narcissistic **** like mike ashley has done. or the fucking useless, sycophantic dross he surrounded himself with. :)
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Fascinating stuff, Ashley was clearly everything they say he is and more, but fascinating as it might be, it's totally irrelevant to this discussion. Ashley didn't sign that letter coz he was an arsehole owner of Newcastle United, he signed it, just like Arsenal, Burnley, Chelsea, Leicester, Liverpool, Man Utd, Spurs and Wolves signed it, coz we were a threat to the existing order and they wanted us sent down for a "crime" we didn't commit. A crime they knew we hadn't committed, the same non-crime, perchance, that you happen to be committing now.

What crime you might ask?

Two really.

You've gone from dividend driven no-hoper, to forward looking inward investor, wiling to put off oodles of money now, for the greater riches growth through long term investment can bring. That's a slap in the face to the American cash cow model. Fortunately for the status quo you're hampered by FFP in a way we weren't in our early days, but only to the extent that it might take you longer to get where you want to be.

And two, the nature of bloodline crony capitalism in the Middle East means that soon you'll be swimming in Saudi sponsorship from companies owned by second cousins, brothers, dads and their uncle Ahmed. There's nothing particularly more wrong with that than most crony capitalism, except it ain't your "normal" western crony capitalism and it looks rigged in your favour coz it is.

So where does that leave us? Your fan base and our fan base? Precisely nowhere.

On the surface it looks like we have common cause, but we don't. There isn't even unanimity within our own fan base as to how to deal with all this shit, so agreement between our two sets of supporters is unlikely. Besides fans are not a homogeneous group, getting them to act as one is like herding cats, unless you're a cult like Liverpool. Getting two fan bases to agree is a complete non starter.

I shouldn't be disappointed by the way your fans, at least on social media, have dealt with your present circumstance, but unreasonably I am. And as for poor old Eddie Howe, he clearly has no clue, but I guess you'll all find your own way.

Notwithstanding, the ownership of our respective clubs don't have that much in common. Despite what our detractors might say, bearded Arab fellas don't have common cause based on their facial hair and ethnicity.

As for an apology from Newcastle fans for your club being a signatory to the letter of shame, you're right, you have no responsibility for the actions of your ownership, you were not complicit, and until recently the media were on 100% on your side in that regard, always singing the praises of the bare chested, put upon Toon Army.

All the pundits, sports media, everyone, went out of their way to present a clear dividing line between everyone's second favourite club, those lovable Geordies filling St. James' every week to watch dross in all weathers, and the greedy grasping ownership of Mike Ashley, whose actions were solely responsible for bleeding your once "great" club dry, a man, who through his wider actions, continues to bleed his workers dry in his tat shops and warehouses to this very day.

Ain't it funny that the same mainstream media holds you complicit for the wider actions of your ownership now?
 
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