NHS being recommended 1% pay rise

[supercity88]

I’m sorry to hear about your mum mate. I hope she beats it.

Communication, or lack of it, is the biggest cause of complaints. To your specific experience that sounds like a failing in the staff, they should have read the notes and there are no excuses for not doing so - it’s a basic and fundamental nursing task. You might want to think about speaking to the PALs team at your mums trust, if they haven’t been made aware of these things they can’t put things right.

Good luck to your mum and to you all

Thanks mate. She's been through all of that! The story I told was one of many issues with miscommunication. I do think it depends on the NHS Trust area you're in. She's down in Sussex now and having to drive 30 mins to Guildford or Redhill for treatment.

Guildford is called Royal Surrey and has a cancer centre called St Luke's. Redhill is called East Surrey and has a cancer centre called St Luke's. Doesn't take much for your brain to get frazzled by just that.

PALs are very good and do get to the bottom of things. But there's also a desire on my Mum's part not to complain about people who are then treating her as it might go against her interests in the long run! She's had issues from the fact the left hand doesn't seem to talk to the right. Whether that's due to covid I'm not sure. The oncologist would typically lead on arranging scans to then determine treatment, but because she's had surgery too the surgeon arranges scans for that. She's just sort of been left between.

However, she's finished radiotherapy now and feeling better so fingers crossed she's sorted. She had a pretty similar stage/category to Chadwick Boseman so long term outlook is never great but got to stay positive.

There's no way she would have afforded private healthcare so despite the issues the NHS still remains a vital service and one we should protect and not undermine. They deserve more pay, but as I said originally I do fear that there are issues from staff pay right up to the general organisation that will see people turn on it and support a privatised healthcare system, done in stages of course.

It's odd that there's not one set of notes for a patient that all relevant people can access for example. The amount of times she's called and had a "we can't see that in the notes we have for you"...

 

[metalblue]

Thanks mate. She's been through all of that! The story I told was one of many issues with miscommunication. I do think it depends on the NHS Trust area you're in. She's down in Sussex now and having to drive 30 mins to Guildford or Redhill for treatment.

Guildford is called Royal Surrey and has a cancer centre called St Luke's. Redhill is called East Surrey and has a cancer centre called St Luke's. Doesn't take much for your brain to get frazzled by just that.

PALs are very good and do get to the bottom of things. But there's also a desire on my Mum's part not to complain about people who are then treating her as it might go against her interests in the long run! She's had issues from the fact the left hand doesn't seem to talk to the right. Whether that's due to covid I'm not sure. The oncologist would typically lead on arranging scans to then determine treatment, but because she's had surgery too the surgeon arranges scans for that. She's just sort of been left between.

However, she's finished radiotherapy now and feeling better so fingers crossed she's sorted. She had a pretty similar stage/category to Chadwick Boseman so long term outlook is never great but got to stay positive.

There's no way she would have afforded private healthcare so despite the issues the NHS still remains a vital service and one we should protect and not undermine. They deserve more pay, but as I said originally I do fear that there are issues from staff pay right up to the general organisation that will see people turn on it and support a privatised healthcare system, done in stages of course.

It's odd that there's not one set of notes for a patient that all relevant people can access for example. The amount of times she's called and had a "we can't see that in the notes we have for you"...

It shouldn’t happen mate but sometimes patients do fall between two departments and they both expect the other to deal with it. Nothing a quick phone call or email between departments wouldn’t have sorted but ends up with the patient or their relatives having to join the dots and make the other department awares.

We have private health but honestly I’d never think of using it for cancer treatment, the NHS is brilliant - although I dare say not the worlds best - you get seen and treated quickly (or should at least expect to). Mrs MB is a nurse (specialist palliative these days but used to work on oncology) and says the same....and if it’s good enough for someone who knows then it’s sure as hell good enough for someone like me!

As for the systems tell me about it, hearing Mrs MBs stories of their computer systems makes my hair curl. They don’t talk to one another so they end up having to put stuff in multiple systems often repeating parts. Paperwork is just as bad, 3 of the local trusts all use the same but another trust 30miles down the road refuses to align their forms and with patients A&E presenting (and being admitted) to her trust it just creates unnecessary paperwork for staff. It’s silly but it’s a small example of how trusts could make simple changes to work more collaboratively rather than individual business units.

I honestly don’t get it.

Keeping my fingers crossed for your mum mate, staying positive is all you can do

 

[Rascal]

It's odd that there's not one set of notes for a patient that all relevant people can access for example. The amount of times she's called and had a "we can't see that in the notes we have for you"...

This is being attempted to be addressed.

In Greater Manchester there is a move towards this being the norm. With all relevant healthcare professionals having access to the same notes.

However there are issues. such as data protection. There are quite rightly people who are worried such notes will end up in the hands of private insurance providers and if the NHS was to go , that would have an effect on premiums.

I have attended about half a dozen meetings around this subject and there are barriers. However I do know that technological solutions are being developed, as to when they will become mainstream I do not know. Personally I would support having my own health records kept on my own mobile phone and then being used by whoever needs them at my or my families request, however I do not expect this to happen soon. It is one of the upsides of the Covid crisis though that developments like this are gathering pace and work is progressing on this area.

 

[supercity88]

This is being attempted to be addressed.

In Greater Manchester there is a move towards this being the norm. With all relevant healthcare professionals having access to the same notes.

However there are issues. such as data protection. There are quite rightly people who are worried such notes will end up in the hands of private insurance providers and if the NHS was to go , that would have an effect on premiums.

I have attended about half a dozen meetings around this subject and there are barriers. However I do know that technological solutions are being developed, as to when they will become mainstream I do not know. Personally I would support having my own health records kept on my own mobile phone and then being used by whoever needs them at my or my families request, however I do not expect this to happen soon. It is one of the upsides of the Covid crisis though that developments like this are gathering pace and work is progressing on this area.

That's good to hear and the risk is obviously a major one so it has to be done correctly. I know there are a lot of great people in the NHS in Senior positions. It's just central government that is the worry because they're so short-sighted they don't have a clue how to fix things. Get the administration right and in order and the rest will fall into place so much more effectively.

It's a huge beast though, but it shouldn't be seen as a black hole money-sucking institution that needs transforming. It's a fundamental part of a great society in my opinion. With the mental health issues many people suffer from these days, it doesn't bare thinking about what the country could look like or be like if the NHS is privatised and millions have no access to essential care. The rich man will still be able to hide away from the problem but you only have to look at Los Angeles to see how private healthcare and a lack of affordable housing lead to monumental social crisis. And we already have the lack of affordable housing.

 

[Rascal]

That's good to hear and the risk is obviously a major one so it has to be done correctly. I know there are a lot of great people in the NHS in Senior positions. It's just central government that is the worry because they're so short-sighted they don't have a clue how to fix things. Get the administration right and in order and the rest will fall into place so much more effectively.

It's a huge beast though, but it shouldn't be seen as a black hole money-sucking institution that needs transforming. It's a fundamental part of a great society in my opinion. With the mental health issues many people suffer from these days, it doesn't bare thinking about what the country could look like or be like if the NHS is privatised and millions have no access to essential care. The rich man will still be able to hide away from the problem but you only have to look at Los Angeles to see how private healthcare and a lack of affordable housing lead to monumental social crisis. And we already have the lack of affordable housing.

I hope so mate, we will keep working towards it as its important.

All the best to your mam as well. x

 

[Quad]

Sounds like you have been seen , and will continue to be so. What is the issue then?

Yea was seen 11 months late for my eyes bit wasn't tested properly and still not been seen about my knee

I have said its not just me who had this happen to

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

This isn’t the COVID political thread and don’t want to derail an important topic, but where does your 75% come from?

Half a Billion Pounds in Government PPE Deals Goes to Conservative Backers

The Shadow Cabinet Office Minister has condemned the awarding of procurement contracts to Conservative-linked firms without competition as ‘outrageous’

bylinetimes.com

The above isn’t a pro Tory article and uncovers £500m which isn’t anywhere near 75%. Out of that article the only one that raised an eyebrow for me was the Miller Designs. All these “middle men” companies need their excess profits taxed at 100%, fucking chancers.

Because not all the deals are in the public domain yet....... the Tories are trying to close down the negative narrative and the long list of court cases that will follow

Owner of Firm Awarded £275 Million in COVID Contracts Makes Donation to Conservatives

The owner of a medical company that won huge PPE contacts has donated to Boris Johnson’s party

bylinetimes.com

 

[metalblue]

Because not all the deals are in the public domain yet....... the Tories are trying to close down the negative narrative and the long list of court cases that will follow

Owner of Firm Awarded £275 Million in COVID Contracts Makes Donation to Conservatives

The owner of a medical company that won huge PPE contacts has donated to Boris Johnson’s party

bylinetimes.com

So you’re saying at least 75% of the value of contracts (or total number of contacts) haven’t yet been revealed and you suspect they are all linked to Tory donors?

That Steve Dechan deal (former Tory councillor) was included in the £0.5bn article I’d posted. Apparently he’s brought some nice property. I still maintain we need to put a 100% excessive profit tax on these firms. They should not overly benefit from the pandemic just because governments around the world were desperate to secure supplies.

 

[blue44]

Stood on my doorstep at 8pm tonight

and clapped slow and loud

only me there on our street cos no fucker cares or even knows basically

my mrs who had just come home at 7.40 from a 12 hour ITU shift,was hungry and tired
so she didn't even bother herself,just got her food started,she's back in again at 7am friday

says it all

#NHSPAY 15
#SlowClap

 

[jitsubluedan]

Stood on my doorstep at 8pm tonight

and clapped slow and loud

only me there on our street cos no fucker cares or even knows basically

my mrs who had just come home at 7.40 from a 12 hour ITU shift,was hungry and tired
so she didn't even bother herself,just got her food started,she's back in again at 7am friday

says it all

#NHSPAY 15
#SlowClap

I didn’t know about it otherwise I’d have gone out.

Remember during the first wave when it was all over the news reminding people to clap for the NHS every week; odd how they haven’t done the same for this - or is it?

The media are too busy perpetuating the fuss about the Harry & Meghan interview which quite frankly, is getting tiresome now and really has no relevance to our daily lives.

Unfortunately, once again it seems our wonderful media have changed the focus of public anger which has taken this issue off the front pages of the ‘popular’ press.

NHS staff have been in the front line of this crisis for 12 months with no let up; when the first wave had subsided, they had to catch up on those cases which had been deferred whilst it was being dealt with.

Then the second wave came - and possibly a third.

Anyone who has needed the NHS has or will receive treatment albeit in some cases, it will be delayed.

They deserve more than 1%. This government knows it - the treasury recommended 2.5% but they have chosen not to agree with it.

Smoke and mirrors just when their dodgy awarding of contracts was being scrutinised.

Sadly, this cycle of deception will continue - it’s how they operate.