Nick Griffin on Question Time..

[paphos-mcfc]

End of the day, how much of the taxpayers money is wasted on the "immigration system"? I say, let them in, and when they realise that there is no work, or we have a Government that refuses to give out handouts, they'll soon fuck off!!

 

[Ronnie the Rep]

End of the day, how much of the taxpayers money is wasted on the "immigration system"? I say, let them in, and when they realise that there is no work, or we have a Government that refuses to give out handouts, they'll soon fuck off!!

I think that's the point, the perception is that the government will give them everything they want so they stay and invite others

 

[Nreddishblue]

End of the day, how much of the taxpayers money is wasted on the "immigration system"? I say, let them in, and when they realise that there is no work, or we have a Government that refuses to give out handouts, they'll soon fuck off!!

We'll never have a government that refuses to give out handouts though, not the way we are going. People become firmly entrenched, you may get the odd Pole leaving our shores but you will never stop the vast amount of immigrants we get from the third world.

 

[Llewellyn Dowd]

Ronnie said just what I'd have said, had I been blessed with the ability to find the right worms!

Spot on bruv.

 

[coleridge]

Responding to the earlier debate regarding the Armed Forces, one of the Guardian questions was whether the BNP refuses to recognise the 2.5 million volunteers from the Indian Army who fought in WWII and many other 'non-whites' from around the Empire, principally from the Caribbean.

Anyway, NRB's strange logic is the crux of the sympathisers' problem. The 'Liberal Elite' aren't squirming. They are looking on in dismay, as do I, at the incoherent babbling that is used as an attempt to justify any support for the BNP and other fascist groups.

I note that no-one is able to respond to my observation that it has always been thus and that the BNP is purely a vehicle for many people's innate bigotry and ignorance, and is simply a re-hash of tired old arguments of hatred and greed. I re-iterate that the concept of 'disenfranchisement' is bizarre. From what exactly and, if so, who is responsible? Appparently, it's your friendly taxi driver, your local takeaway or your chidlren's GP. Weird logic way beyond my comprehension, I'm afraid.

Back to NRB's position ['it's only a game'], where is this ephemeral line drawn. Will you be treated by a non-white hospital doctor because 'it's only the NHS' or get into that minicab becasue it's 'only a night out'?

May be I should take my multi-talented family of professionals and business people to 'the Land of the Free'. Millions of others would join us. Watch your house prices collapse into dust, your public services disappear and your once proud nation be reduced to a land that is the hell on earth of whites-only council estates where no-one works and, ironically, everyone relies on hand outs from the EU. As with South Africa before it, the UK will be banned from all sporting competitions and its ability to trade globally will shrink to almost nothing, the City having moved to Wall Street or Frankfurt. That's the BNP's vision for YOUR COUNTRY and you're welcome to it. Stupidity beyond measure.

 

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

You know, I hate the way these threads always end up. Allegedly stupid neanderthal little englander racist inbreds against vastly superior intellectual world citizens.


It is not all about race FFS - this all boils down to fear and being disenfranchised. There is nothing at all wrong with a citizen of this country whether he is black, white or green for that matter expressing concern at immigration, racial tension, workplace opportunity, abuse of the benefit system etc, etc. This does not make the poster xenophobic.

I am currently in France which is a fabulous country yet there are thousands of illegal immigrants in Calais that could settle there but want to come to England because we are an easy touch. There is genuine frustration in the general population about this and our inability to stop it. That's why Griffin is doing better and why his views MUST be heard in order to stimulate debate.

Ok, come and have a go!!!

Ok,now brace yourself,sit down or take a strong swig of sweet tea Ronnie,because I actually agree with the vast amount of your post.
You are right that many of the working,(or no longer working),class feel disenfranchised/marginalised/ignored by mainstream political parties and,historically,this has often led people into the welcoming arms of extremists on both sides of the political divide.
It happened last in this country when Mosleys' blackshirts exploited poverty and unemployment for political gain.
I am well aware that many who have turned to the BNP and other right wing parties are not inherently racist,(although some undoubtedly are),they just don't feel that anyone is listening to them,and in many ways they are probably right.
I too have lived in France in the past - yes,it is a great country in many ways,but to pretend that racism is not an issue here would be wide of the mark - in many ways it is actually worse than here,as successive French governments have struggled unsuccessfully to cope with an influx of immigrants who hold dual nationality from the former French colonies of North Africa.
There are indeed loopholes in our benefits and immigration systems that need rectifying as soon as possible,as resources are finite,and Britain should not be seen by potential newcomers as a "soft" target.
I have argued throughout this and other threads that Griffin should be given airtime to express his views,repellant as I find them,because we like to think of ourselves as a democracy and,at the end of the day,he is an elected MEP.
What irritates me is that many of the extremists in the BNP will see his appearance as a legitimisation of some of his more unsavoury policies - I would actually like Griffin to be tackled on Question Time not on racism and the usual topics but on the economy which,if you actually look in depth,is an area on which the BNP is notoriously weak,and where a realistic fiscal policy is thin on the ground.
Griffin is not a clever man,nor a great orator,as was Mosley.
He has just seen a gap in the political market and has seen fit to exploit it - in many ways he is nothing more than a political opportunist,and opponents must take their chance to reveal his lack of policies on Thursday.

 

[nelsons willie]

this post has nothing whatsoever to do with question time.last night i heard griffin on the wireless.just a voice no face..thats the way wireless works.anyway i was wracking my brains as to who he sounded like. i think his voice is remarkably like arthur scargill..

 

[ono]

Responding to the earlier debate regarding the Armed Forces, one of the Guardian questions was whether the BNP refuses to recognise the 2.5 million volunteers from the Indian Army who fought in WWII and many other 'non-whites' from around the Empire, principally from the Caribbean.

Anyway, NRB's strange logic is the crux of the sympathisers' problem. The 'Liberal Elite' aren't squirming. They are looking on in dismay, as do I, at the incoherent babbling that is used as an attempt to justify any support for the BNP and other fascist groups.

I note that no-one is able to respond to my observation that it has always been thus and that the BNP is purely a vehicle for many people's innate bigotry and ignorance, and is simply a re-hash of tired old arguments of hatred and greed. I re-iterate that the concept of 'disenfranchisement' is bizarre. From what exactly and, if so, who is responsible? Appparently, it's your friendly taxi driver, your local takeaway or your chidlren's GP. Weird logic way beyond my comprehension, I'm afraid.

Back to NRB's position ['it's only a game'], where is this ephemeral line drawn. Will you be treated by a non-white hospital doctor because 'it's only the NHS' or get into that minicab becasue it's 'only a night out'?

May be I should take my multi-talented family of professionals and business people to 'the Land of the Free'. Millions of others would join us. Watch your house prices collapse into dust, your public services disappear and your once proud nation be reduced to a land that is the hell on earth of whites-only council estates where no-one works and, ironically, everyone relies on hand outs from the EU. As with South Africa before it, the UK will be banned from all sporting competitions and its ability to trade globally will shrink to almost nothing, the City having moved to Wall Street or Frankfurt. That's the BNP's vision for YOUR COUNTRY and you're welcome to it. Stupidity beyond measure.

This isn't the first time i've felt like applauding one of your posts.

 

[coleridge]

You're too kind, ono, but I wouldn't applaud because (1) I was merely highlighting the scary vision of the BNP new world order for the UK and (2) the sympathisers will assume that we are part of this Pinko, Lefty Elite that apparently runs the country from our secret bunker, for an end goal that I've not yet worked out, but simply must be part of the conspiracy against the rest of the disenfranchised population that apparently does not get to speak the truth as immigration is a taboo subject. It's a good job that Griffin can put us straight. I look forward to hearing his policies on the economy and foreign policy once he has removed the UK from engagement with the rest of the word. I have my passport to hand in readiness for escaping from looney land.

 

[crystal_mais]

You're too kind, ono, but I wouldn't applaud because (1) I was merely highlighting the scary vision of the BNP new world order for the UK and (2) the sympathisers will assume that we are part of this Pinko, Lefty Elite that apparently runs the country from our secret bunker, for an end goal that I've not yet worked out, but simply must be part of the conspiracy against the rest of the disenfranchised population that apparently does not get to speak the truth as immigration is a taboo subject. It's a good job that Griffin can put us straight. I look forward to hearing his policies on the economy and foreign policy once he has removed the UK from engagement with the rest of the word. I have my passport to hand in readiness for escaping from looney land.

Me too