North Stand Construction Discussion

supercity88 said:
The CGI's are pretty poor, I'd expect it to look a lot better in person than it does in those. There's a lot of detail to capture but whoever they've used hasn't managed to do it very well. When you look at all of the details around the hotel designs it should look okay.

Ultimately it is a bolt on feature which has to provide a service 365 days a year, whilst the football ground is used far less frequently. I don't think there's a lot more they could have done with the layout, and whilst the design doesn't really blow you away, the more quality the higher the costs of staying there ultimately and that's the balance.

That's why regardless of what they're doing in the UAE I've never expected to see the same quality here. The stadium has looked warn out for a while yet they just stick posters around it. The return on investment is much higher in the middle east, and the planning hurdles and other considerations don't exist.
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Are there many examples of buildings which look better in real life? It's usually the other way round.

I agree though that it might be possible - what looks like a plain office block in the wide shots, does seem to have a lot more detail close up. What it will struggle with is that the Etihad has one of the better silhouettes in football, and sticking all those boxes in front of it is a big shame - if you're going to hide it from visitors, you surely need something more impressive.
 
Jacko1956 said:
How can you expect any visitors paying to watch a game and booking into the hotel to then tramp across the collar site in the glorious Manchester weather to the stadium ? Some people will never be satisfied with what ever the club do ! Wait till its all completed and we have one of finest stadium in the world with wonderfull external facilities I can't wait !
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Absolutely mate, people moan at everything city do, it's fucking bizarre??
 
bluenova said:
Are there many examples of buildings which look better in real life? It's usually the other way round.

I agree though that it might be possible - what looks like a plain office block in the wide shots, does seem to have a lot more detail close up. What it will struggle with is that the Etihad has one of the better silhouettes in football, and sticking all those boxes in front of it is a big shame - if you're going to hide it from visitors, you surely need something more impressive.
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Not many. I backed that up by saying exactly the opposite two minutes later! In terms of the CGI's though they do lack a lot of detail and are pretty poor in quality so let's settle on "it will look different". Whether it's better will be in the eye of the beer holder.
 
Centurions said:
I've been thinking that about the CGI's for awhile, I'll hold fire until it's built myself before slating it. I highly doubt they're changing anything now anyway.
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supercity88 said:
I wouldn't be too optimistic mate! I work in the planning game, they might do sample panels but you'd do well to get anyone from the Council to bother going and looking at them, or caring enough to query them! Maybe they will in this case, but quality tends to decline from the images not get better. Might just be who I work for!
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Well there is that too, it could go the other way and 'not live up to' the cgi's. But, I'm going to stick with some optimism here.

Certain things need to happen next regardless, but on yout point about nobody being bothered, it is too big and too high profile for that. And I would bet on those involved wanting to input and being excited about it. Having checked the report now, it is covered in 2 conditions out of a total of 58 proposed. Which almost makes further changes, and engagenent throughout the process pretty much inevitable. By the time it gets there, these meaningless discussions will be long forgotten anyway.
 
Jacko1956 said:
The lead town and country planner who happens to be a lady by the name of Atkinson will brief the councilors on her recommendations and provide details for any queries or objections made ! My father was a councilor just because they sit on a particular committee such as housing or planning doesn't mean they have any degree of knowledge on the subject and that l is why the town and country planner leads the meeting ! I can assure that there's not a snowball in he'll chance permission will not be granted !
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All true but she won't decide it, they will, with the votes. I'm not in the slightest bit concerned about it not being granted btw, just to be clear.
 
Coatigan said:
Well there is that too, it could go the other way and 'not live up to' the cgi's. But, I'm going to stick with some optimism here.

Certain things need to happen next regardless, but on yout point about nobody being bothered, it is too big and too high profile for that. And I would bet on those involved wanting to input and being excited about it. Having checked the report now, it is covered in 2 conditions out of a total of 58 proposed. Which almost makes further changes, and engagenent throughout the process pretty much inevitable. By the time it gets there, these meaningless discussions will be long forgotten anyway.
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Material costs continue to be a problem, the club will know what they want to use and whilst those conditions mean the Council can say they don't like it, they'll have to accept that costs and availability are a consideration and there won't be too much they can do to be honest. They'll just want to see the materials look like those specified in the details submitted so far. It's not going to change dramatically. You put a sample together, invite the Council down, they look at it and discharge the condition. Simple as that.
 
supercity88 said:
Material costs continue to be a problem, the club will know what they want to use and whilst those conditions mean the Council can say they don't like it, they'll have to accept that costs and availability are a consideration and there won't be too much they can do to be honest. They'll just want to see the materials look like those specified in the details submitted so far. It's not going to change dramatically. You put a sample together, invite the Council down, they look at it and discharge the condition. Simple as that.
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I disagree. Let's leave it there.

Jrb will no doubt post pictures of the mock-up at some point in the future.
 
WARBABY said:
Having used hotels during my working life, never worried about what a hotel looked like outside it's what was inside that mattered. A hotel should be practical and not a sculpture.
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The smartest ones on the outside are usually hiding something inside in my experience.
 
jrb said:
Been posted before, but what the hell, let’s remind ourselves what the new North stand home end will look like.

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Wait until you see the images of the completed stadium with the east & west stand fourth tiers and the corners integrated to give an 85000 capacity.

The best ground in the land and all ze vorld !!
 
supercity88 said:
I wouldn't be too optimistic mate! I work in the planning game, they might do sample panels but you'd do well to get anyone from the Council to bother going and looking at them, or caring enough to query them! Maybe they will in this case, but quality tends to decline from the images not get better. Might just be who I work for!
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Hi @supercity88 they could log a planning amendment just like what Aston Villa have done with their new North Stand, which could fix issues noted above

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LEXSTARproject said:
Hi @supercity88 they could log a planning amendment just like what Aston Villa have done with their new North Stand, which could fix issues noted above

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Much smaller scale than City think whole project was estimated at about £120m if I remember correctly and CGI's don't really show much to what it will intail apart from the station ! Don't look like their as far down the line as City !
 
Gone for a Burton said:
Wait until you see the images of the completed stadium with the east & west stand fourth tiers and the corners integrated to give an 85000 capacity.

The best ground in the land and all ze vorld !!
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You’ve deffo convinced yourself of the validity of this project… but you remain in a minority of one
 
LEXSTARproject said:
Hi @supercity88 they could log a planning amendment just like what Aston Villa have done with their new North Stand, which could fix issues noted above

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They could do a lot of things, but they won't. The detail is in the application. They've listed materials and what they will then need to do is provide actual supplier information. We know there is a red brick plinth but we don't know the brick, so they'll build a panel or send a sample to the Council and it will be approved.

But whilst the Council will have someone who likes bricks and design, it's subjective and costs and lead in times play a part.

Fwiw I don't think there are many hotels in the world, let alone this country, that blow you away with their architecture. And I think this design will look a lot better in person than the CGIs suggest.

They're putting enough into it to make it look okay, but not any more than that because the return simply isn't there. Building projects in Abu Dhabi where the sun shines all year and it gets very hot but people spend a fortune is very different to wet and windy manchester where people staying at the hotel will need good value to tempt them from the city centre.
 
supercity88 said:
They could do a lot of things, but they won't. The detail is in the application. They've listed materials and what they will then need to do is provide actual supplier information. We know there is a red brick plinth but we don't know the brick, so they'll build a panel or send a sample to the Council and it will be approved.

But whilst the Council will have someone who likes bricks and design, it's subjective and costs and lead in times play a part.

Fwiw I don't think there are many hotels in the world, let alone this country, that blow you away with their architecture. And I think this design will look a lot better in person than the CGIs suggest.

They're putting enough into it to make it look okay, but not any more than that because the return simply isn't there. Building projects in Abu Dhabi where the sun shines all year and it gets very hot but people spend a fortune is very different to wet and windy manchester where people staying at the hotel will need good value to tempt them from the city centre.
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Your last paragraph is the nail on the head imo and the argument that will be used if required by the club regarding the design? It’ll be used by people ons or two nights max and the price point in the UK obviously needs to reflect the difference in the wealth of people staying in Abu Dhabi compared to someone attending a football match or concert in Manchester?
 
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