So by your logic grealish isn't good enough, we shouldn't have signed laporte from midtable Bilbao, fernandinho from the Ukrainian league - rubbish, rodri, stones, sane, zabaleta, kompany etc etc etc... Because Tierney didn't go from Celtic straight into a champions League team. Ok....
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Centurions
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I thought Denayer was way better for them at the time, being up here and a Blue I watched them perhaps more than most.Maybe I had blue tinted glasses on. I thought Denayer was better at that time. At least better distribution.
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No that isn't my logic at all. All of those players you listed apart from probably Zabaleta had shown they were deserving of going on to play for a top team. You are aware the likes of Rodri, Fernandinho and so on came from top clubs right?So by your logic grealish isn't good enough, we shouldn't have signed laporte from midtable Bilbao, fernandinho from the Ukrainian league - rubbish, rodri, stones, sane, zabaleta, kompany etc etc etc... Because Tierney didn't go from Celtic straight into a champions League team. Ok....
Pointless conversation here clearly, Tierney isn't good enough for City end of.
They came from "top clubs". No, they didn't -Rodri, maybe. Shakhtar, Hamburg, Everton, schalke aren't top clubs by any stretch of the imaginationNo that isn't my logic at all. All of those players you listed apart from probably Zabaleta had shown they were deserving of going on to play for a top team. You are aware the likes of Rodri, Fernandinho and so on came from top clubs right?
Pointless conversation here clearly, Tierney isn't good enough for City end of.
Tierney is easily good enough for city, and is better than what we currently have. End of.
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I agree with all that. Did he misbehave at Celtic though? I thought most of his questionable behaviour was after.We see the game differently. Both cracking players. Denayer, I always thought suffered from thinking he was better than he was, which impedes learning. For me VVD had it all and strive to improve more. He knew he was brilliant too, but wanted to get even better. For me the difference between great and really great is attitude and heart. Denayer would go into huffs and throw strops at times in his career. The day you think you can stop learning you stop.
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Yeah, same here.I thought Denayer was way better for them at the time, being up here and a Blue I watched them perhaps more than most.
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Learn to read fella. I said Rodri and Fernandinho, didn't mention the others on that sentence.They came from "top clubs". No, they didn't -Rodri, maybe. Shakhtar, Hamburg, Everton, schalke aren't top clubs by any stretch of the imagination
Tierney is easily good enough for city, and is better than what we currently have. End of.
Shaktar and Atletico aren't top clubs? CL all the time, league winners, cup winners? What do you qualify as a top team then?
He's not but ok. Thankfully Zinchenko has more technical ability in his little toe then him so Tierney will only ever step foot at the Etihad when hes playing for someone else.
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If you knew he was worth £70 million at Celtic then why did Southampton pay a whopping £15 million and how come no one else saw it at the time? You know, like actual professionals?I know. I was saying when I recommended him, he was at Southampton. I knew he was worth £70m and wanted you to get him. I said, and it's in record on here somewhere that, he woukd sort their defence, you should stop that, because they fix that and they really challenge you. He dud and they won the league. You should have bought Tierney too and now Eduoard, if you don't and one if your competitors do, you will regret it. You could get him.for a pittance compared to what you pay for average players. He's special, young and will go to the top. Why not with you?
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He's a bit of a sick-note though isn't he? - we already have one of those in that position. If he had a better fitness record then he would be ideal for us.No comparison imo, Tierney is an absolute rolls Royce, zinny "does a job" for a few months at a time - he does it well at time don't get me wrong but he's nowhere near Tierney's level and will invariably get replaced. If we'd bought KT, the LB slot would have been seen up for the next 7-10 years imo
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Getting back to the original post Eduoard does look like an interesting prospect and is the ideal age for a new striker. If Kun had signed a one year extension then this signing would have made a lot of sense (particularly with Delap progressing so well).
As it is I think we will sign a higher profile player - just hope we get the one we really want and do not end up signing someone who does not fit our requirements just for their profile.
As it is I think we will sign a higher profile player - just hope we get the one we really want and do not end up signing someone who does not fit our requirements just for their profile.
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He still does.You shouldn't use that reasoning with a player, Grealish plays for a mid table club, same as VVD before Liverpool bought him.
Learn to read your own posts fella "rodri, fernandinho and so on" alludes to the others I mentioned. Also, I said I would give you atletico, but Donetsk? Celtic have won 9 leagues in a row, 4 trebles in a row so if you're saying thats a barometer of success with Donetsk then Celtic are in the same boat. Get real - CL cannon fodder every season.Learn to read fella. I said Rodri and Fernandinho, didn't mention the others on that sentence.
Shaktar and Atletico aren't top clubs? CL all the time, league winners, cup winners? What do you qualify as a top team then?
He's not but ok. Thankfully Zinchenko has more technical ability in his little toe then him so Tierney will only ever step foot at the Etihad when hes playing for someone else.
You're clearly a WUM, good at it I'll grant you. Or you've never watched KT play if you think zinchenko is anywhere near him.
He's had a couple of injuries yeah - but 220 senior appearances, 20 caps and he's only 23 years old, that's pretty good tbfHe's a bit of a sick-note though isn't he? - we already have one of those in that position. If he had a better fitness record then he would be ideal for us.
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The irony is without him they might be mid table but with him they have become champions and might be contenders again, he's that goodHe still does.
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Tierney can't nail down the starting left back spot at Arsenal over an out of position Cedric mate. Rolls Royce? He has one or two good moments going forward a game and if Arsenal are lucky he's quiet the rest of it, he can't defend.No comparison imo, Tierney is an absolute rolls Royce, zinny "does a job" for a few months at a time - he does it well at time don't get me wrong but he's nowhere near Tierney's level and will invariably get replaced. If we'd bought KT, the LB slot would have been seen up for the next 7-10 years imo
LMAO! Can't nail down a starting spot? how come he's played every single match for them this season apart from EFL cup and 6 games in Jan/Feb when he was injured? He starts every game essentially, check that if you like. So that's point one which is untrue. Point two, he is an excellent defender which is why he plays not only as a left back but also as part of a 3 man centre back line. You mustn't watch much of him either pal.Tierney can't nail down the starting left back spot at Arsenal over an out of position Cedric mate. Rolls Royce? He has one or two good moments going forward a game and if Arsenal are lucky he's quiet the rest of it, he can't defend.
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Don't miss any arsenal games, missus is a gooner. He must have been sitting on the bench with an injury against Benfica.LMAO! Can't nail down a starting spot? how come he's played every single match for them this season apart from EFL cup and 6 games in Jan/Feb when he was injured? He starts every game essentially, check that if you like. So that's point one which is untrue. Point two, he is an excellent defender which is why he plays not only as a left back but also as part of a 3 man centre back line. You mustn't watch much of him either pal.
I just told you he was injured in Jan/Feb. The benfica first leg was his first game back in the squad following that injury - he came off the bench and then played the full 90 on the second leg and both games against olympiacos... He's started 22 league games and missed 7 through injury, he started every league game he's fit. That's not my opinion, it's the facts of the season. Last season was exactly the same, started when he was fit but did miss about 4 months when he needed shoulder surgery.Don't miss any arsenal games, missus is a gooner. He must have been sitting on the bench with an injury against Benfica.
As for Cedric - 9 appearances this season, 5 at left back when, you guessed it, KT was out in late Jan/Feb.
Whether you think he's good or not is your opinion, that's absolutely fine mate, but don't let on he's not first choice for arsenal cos the facts show that he is.
Going back to topic, Édouard is really really talented but the step is too far in one go. A Leicester, Everton, arsenal, west ham type move would benefit him and tell the tale as to whether he can make the step to the top.
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Is it a bigger step up than from the South American football Jesus was playing? Sometimes I think we should take a punt on some of these players but maybe squad limitations hold us back? I still struggle to see why our scouts though Mangala was a better bet than VVD. Was it just that VVD was playing in a "pub" league?Going back to topic, Édouard is really really talented but the step is too far in one go. A Leicester, Everton, arsenal, west ham type move would benefit him and tell the tale as to whether he can make the step to the top.
As I posted earlier I think he could come to us if we were not losing the best striker we have ever had meaning that he would be expected to hit the ground running rather than having time to adapt.