Our Suarez ...... not the racist one :)

[eddiemarin09]

Pellegrini bought Isco as a 19 year old lad and made him a key player. He knows a player when he sees one. If he lets Suarez go and doesn't make much of it in the press the us fans know the deal, he's usually vocal when he loses a player.

Good point..I always believed in suarez but I guess if pellegrini decides he's not a first team player then I trust his judgement..but I like to think he can be a star playmaker ..but I'm starting to think that maybe our academy and English football is not a suitable environment for a young inexperienced Spanish playmaker..to get experience in Spain first like Cazorla silva is one thing but they earned there reputations first..but I have to think Madrid and barca have gone after him for a reason..I hope[/quote]

Fabregas?[/quote]
Yea but that's one of the few guys you can think of and that shows a lot about how rare it is for a Spanish playmaker to meet there potential in English football academies..English football lacks true class in playing styles after the top 6 clubs ..it's just run and gun a Spanish midfielder needs to be surrounded by players with real touch a real passing game learning how to control tempo your not going to get that in a British academy ..fabregas is one of the few and that's why he is a world class talent..there's not too many after him which is why I think suarez would be better off continuing his development at Barcelona b or even at a club like Valencia or Sevilla

 

[spinzer]

Pellegrini bought Isco as a 19 year old lad and made him a key player. He knows a player when he sees one. If he lets Suarez go and doesn't make much of it in the press the us fans know the deal, he's usually vocal when he loses a player.

Good point..I always believed in suarez but I guess if pellegrini decides he's not a first team player then I trust his judgement..but I like to think he can be a star playmaker ..but I'm starting to think that maybe our academy and English football is not a suitable environment for a young inexperienced Spanish playmaker..to get experience in Spain first like Cazorla silva is one thing but they earned there reputations first..but I have to think Madrid and barca have gone after him for a reason..I hope

Fabregas?[/quote]
Yea but that's one of the few guys you can think of and that shows a lot about how rare it is for a Spanish playmaker to meet there potential in English football academies..English football lacks true class in playing styles after the top 6 clubs ..it's just run and gun a Spanish midfielder needs to be surrounded by players with real touch a real passing game learning how to control tempo your not going to get that in a British academy ..fabregas is one of the few and that's why he is a world class talent..there's not too many after him which is why I think suarez would be better off continuing his development at Barcelona b or even at a club like Valencia or Sevilla[/quote]
Good thing that our club is not just run and gun then ;)
For us they would be surrounded by players with real touch and passing, the problem is making the step up from EDS to first team squad member because of the quality and depth of our squad.

 

[scotty123]

Just said on talkshite that he could be off to Barca!

 

[eversince 76]

Pellegrini bought Isco as a 19 year old lad and made him a key player. He knows a player when he sees one. If he lets Suarez go and doesn't make much of it in the press the us fans know the deal, he's usually vocal when he loses a player.

Fair point.
Haven't seen enough of the player to form an opinion myself other than he is talented (so have all the other youthplayers for that matter). We need to Txiki, Pellegrini and Vieira on this one, who work and talk to the player on a near daily basis. The simple fact Barcelona comes for him makes you wonder, but the lad might florish in their set-up rather than ours.

 

[CitizenTID]

Suarez looks like he's in the first team squad now anyway, what with doing the whole pre-season with the 1st team and having not trained with the EDS at all.

Still think he needs to be loaned out. Celta would be a good club to loan to, more chance of game time at the lower end of La Liga and the extra incentive to play harder as he's from round there.

 

[thenabster]

Suarez looks like he's in the first team squad now anyway, what with doing the whole pre-season with the 1st team and having not trained with the EDS at all.

Still think he needs to be loaned out. Celta would be a good club to loan to, more chance of game time at the lower end of La Liga and the extra incentive to play harder as he's from round there.

He absolutely needs to be loaned out. I don't understand how all our most promising EDS talent have be loaned out but he hasn't and hasn't really played first team games. He needs to be loaned out with Pozo and lopes.

 

[CitizenTID]

Suarez looks like he's in the first team squad now anyway, what with doing the whole pre-season with the 1st team and having not trained with the EDS at all.

Still think he needs to be loaned out. Celta would be a good club to loan to, more chance of game time at the lower end of La Liga and the extra incentive to play harder as he's from round there.

He absolutely needs to be loaned out. I don't understand how all our most promising EDS talent have be loaned out but he hasn't and hasn't really played first team games. He needs to be loaned out with Pozo and lopes.

Maybe Mancini leading him on... "okay okay, not dis game, but maybe dis next game Denis"

 

[mcfcdjr]

If he does move to Barca then it sums up the useless nature of the English reserve set up. The best way for lads like Suarez etc to improve is for us to loan them out to competitive leagues for first team experience and not playing them against other 18yr olds with nothing riding on the games. He should have gone out last year rather than playing in the EDS. I really think a "B" team set up within lower leagues would improve youth players in this country its a shame the FA dont allow it.

 

[CitizenTID]

If he does move to Barca then it sums up the useless nature of the English reserve set up. The best way for lads like Suarez etc to improve is for us to loan them out to competitive leagues for first team experience and not playing them against other 18yr olds with nothing riding on the games. He should have gone out last year rather than playing in the EDS. I really think a "B" team set up within lower leagues would improve youth players in this country its a shame the FA dont allow it.

I'm not sure B teams would work here, it's a good idea in principle and works great in Spain but it's not really fair if one club is earning money two times over in the same league system (i.e Promotion bonuses). Not sure if I was a fan of a lower league club I'd be excited about playing say, Chelsea's B team.

The problem with British footy is with have too many boffins deliberating over budgets for grass roots. Spain have implemented a magnificent system from the ground up. We seem to think over here that you can just let kids play and they'll turn into world beaters if they have it (obviously some do) but you raise the potential by implementing systems from an early age.

 

[117 M34]

What are the attendances like for the B teams in Spain?

Do fans go to both or are the B team games mainly followed by fans who can't get / can't afford to see the 1st team?

 

[pee dubya]

If he does move to Barca then it sums up the useless nature of the English reserve set up. The best way for lads like Suarez etc to improve is for us to loan them out to competitive leagues for first team experience and not playing them against other 18yr olds with nothing riding on the games. He should have gone out last year rather than playing in the EDS. I really think a "B" team set up within lower leagues would improve youth players in this country its a shame the FA dont allow it.

I'm not sure B teams would work here, it's a good idea in principle and works great in Spain but it's not really fair if one club is earning money two times over in the same league system (i.e Promotion bonuses). Not sure if I was a fan of a lower league club I'd be excited about playing say, Chelsea's B team.

The problem with British footy is with have too many boffins deliberating over budgets for grass roots. Spain have implemented a magnificent system from the ground up. We seem to think over here that you can just let kids play and they'll turn into world beaters if they have it (obviously some do) but you raise the potential by implementing systems from an early age.

Split their prize money between the other teams in the league then.

The point of B teams is pretty much purely to develop players, it doesn't only benefit the club, but the national team as well (2 best European national teams use B teams) and would provide a trickle down of higher quality, proven players to the smaller clubs.

Also over time you'd probably start to see wages reduce overall, fewer foreign players being paid high wages to come in because of more young players breaking through.

 

[ell]

Suarez looks like he's in the first team squad now anyway, what with doing the whole pre-season with the 1st team and having not trained with the EDS at all.

Still think he needs to be loaned out. Celta would be a good club to loan to, more chance of game time at the lower end of La Liga and the extra incentive to play harder as he's from round there.

He absolutely needs to be loaned out. I don't understand how all our most promising EDS talent have be loaned out but he hasn't and hasn't really played first team games. He needs to be loaned out with Pozo and lopes.

Far too early to be loaning out Pozo and Lopes in my opinion. I think we should keep them just beneath the first team (cup games etc) for another season yet

 

[thenabster]

Suarez looks like he's in the first team squad now anyway, what with doing the whole pre-season with the 1st team and having not trained with the EDS at all.

Still think he needs to be loaned out. Celta would be a good club to loan to, more chance of game time at the lower end of La Liga and the extra incentive to play harder as he's from round there.

He absolutely needs to be loaned out. I don't understand how all our most promising EDS talent have be loaned out but he hasn't and hasn't really played first team games. He needs to be loaned out with Pozo and lopes.

Far too early to be loaning out Pozo and Lopes in my opinion. I think we should keep them just beneath the first team (cup games etc) for another season yet

Yeah probably. Where are they anyway? Haven't seen them all summer.

 

[spinzer]

Suarez looks like he's in the first team squad now anyway, what with doing the whole pre-season with the 1st team and having not trained with the EDS at all.

Still think he needs to be loaned out. Celta would be a good club to loan to, more chance of game time at the lower end of La Liga and the extra incentive to play harder as he's from round there.

He absolutely needs to be loaned out. I don't understand how all our most promising EDS talent have be loaned out but he hasn't and hasn't really played first team games. He needs to be loaned out with Pozo and lopes.

Far too early to be loaning out Pozo and Lopes in my opinion. I think we should keep them just beneath the first team (cup games etc) for another season yet

Nah, think a loan spell at a dutch club could do them wonders, both of them but lopes is the furthes in his development tho.

 

[Tron Coltrane]

Will be gutted if he leaves, I think this year is the window for him to make a leap. He looked very composed on the ball at a youth international level this summer in his limited appearances. Definitely think there's a role for him here under new management.

Regarding the thread title, can anyone confirm that Denis isn't also a racist?

 

[City_Sean]

How good is Suarez guys? Anyone think he can reach Silva's level?

 

[FantasyIreland]

How good is Suarez guys? Anyone think he can reach Silva's level?

He has the technical ability but lacks the consistency and commitment at present,he's still a bit 'lightweight' imo.

 

[ono]

He's highly thought of in Spain. He's similar to Silva in some aspects but he isn't at the level that Silva was at when he was 18/19. I'd be surprised if he advanced to the Barca first team. Realistically i think he will go and play for the B team for a season or two before moving on to a lower La Liga team.

 

[ell]

He absolutely needs to be loaned out. I don't understand how all our most promising EDS talent have be loaned out but he hasn't and hasn't really played first team games. He needs to be loaned out with Pozo and lopes.

Far too early to be loaning out Pozo and Lopes in my opinion. I think we should keep them just beneath the first team (cup games etc) for another season yet

Nah, think a loan spell at a dutch club could do them wonders, both of them but lopes is the furthes in his development tho.

Pozo carrying on his recovery. Lopes with Portugal u20s

 

[TheSoulhunter]

Suarez is one of our best young talents. We can't let him go!