Pep Guardiola - 2020/21 Performances

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Blue and White Army said:
Pep inherited a very good team when he first came to city, he's won the same trophies what pellergrini and mancini did but just more cause he's been given more time and money to spend. The spine of the team in kompany, fernandino, kdb, silva and aguero was already at the club and they all played a considerable part of in the success since pep arrived but hes not replaced them well enough or in time he knew kompany was leaving and took a season to replace him, the same thing has happened with silva we all knew he was leaving at the end of the season, who has been are main creative player for the past 10 years we've not replaced him for me is the reason for this alarming drop in performance this year we're creating chances but not enough clear cut chances like they used too when silva was in the team. Signed to many poor players who have not improved the team. The football under Pep is the best we've ever seen as city fans but we don't have the players to play the same way now due to his signings and we have no plan B to change the game or give teams some thin else to think about, weve been crying out for a big tall striker like we used to have in dzeko to put on when we were desprate for a goal late on and score with a header, some one like giroud would have been perfect when he left arsenal. He's to stubborn to change the tactics in a game, I know arteta is doing poorly at arsenal but the tactics and the performances are not as good since he has left, is this just a concendince? I don't know. The most frustrating trait from pep his he's unwillingness to make a sub in a game never will he do it when the game is 0-0 only when we go 1 nil or 2 nil down will he make a change and its to late then and I can't recall many recent comeback victories, pep lost me after last seasons lyon game, I thought he would have had this season and would of walked away I can't belive the club have given him an extended contract.
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He also had Hart, Zaba, Yaya and Dzeko.
 
blueparrot said:
Thats because most of us on bluemoon think we are better coaches than Pep :). First I’ve seen of that anywhere to be fair.
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I saw it and made sarcastic reference to it on a post elsewhere on forum. I guess it's a nice accolade and deserved but tarnished a bit by the fact the judges, whoever they were, made Ronaldo the Player of the Century, which I find incredible when Messi is one of the options or, in my view, the only option.
 
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Blue and White Army said:
With the help of who mancini signed. It's the same trophies is what I'm getting at not he's not won the champions league he should have won more with the team that he has inherited and the amount of money he's been given to spend the team is no where near the level it should be at and he has no plan B every one knows how we're going to play.
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By your logic, Pep has been winning tons of trophies in Barca and Bayern (not stop yet) because Messi, Alba, Alaba, Kimmich, Alaba, etc. are still being at Barca and Bayern. By the way, he won both La Liga and Bundesliga in 2018-2019, and he won Champion League last year with Bayern.

Well, it's just to say that your logic is so weird. So I just go back to common sense about how to count trophies, then I agree with @greasedupdeafguy, "Pep won more in one season than Mancini did in three years here.": https://www.robertomancini.com/en/palmares-2.html
 
Cityinmud said:
Zidane won 3 champions leagues.(11 titles with real Madrid)
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You're basically counting community shields as titles.

Del Bosque won 2 Champions Leagues, 2 La Ligas, a World Cup and a Euros.

Mourinho won everything Pep has

Ferguson won 8 Premier Leagues and a Champions League after 2000 consistently dismantling teams and rebuilding them whilst staying winning which is something most managers struggle with.
 
01cravend said:
You're basically counting community shields as titles.

Del Bosque won 2 champions leagues, 2 la ligas a World Cup and a Euros.

Mourinho won everything Pep has

Ferguson won 8 premier leagues and a champions league after 2000 consistently dismantling teams and rebuilding them whilst staying winning which is something most managers struggle with.
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Mourinho hasn't won 3 champions league. Neither has Ferguson. Nor del Bosque. Real Madrid have champions league history when they won 3 in a row.
 
01cravend said:
Neither has Pep....

Ancelotti did though so it must he him and Zidane that are the best managers of the century?
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Pep won primarily because his barca was the best in the decade and sextuple ofcourse that no other club as achieved. Ofcourse it adds to his achievements that Bayern and city played beautiful football and broke all kind of records in their leagues

Ancelotti didn't win 3 in a row.

And it's not century it's 2001-2020
 
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Cityinmud said:
Pep won primarily because his barca was the best in the decade and sextuple ofcourse that no other club as achieved. Ofcourse it adds to his achievements that Bayern and city played beautiful football and broke all kind of records in their leagues

Ancelotti didn't win 3 in a row
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Flick will achieve that amazing sextuple when Bayern win the mighty club world Cup.

Why do you rate 3 champions leagues in a row over 2 wins, a World Cup and a euros?

Or even Mourinho's Pep matching trophy haul also including a treble(inter).
 
01cravend said:
Flick will achieve that amazing sextuple when Bayern win the mighty club world Cup.

Why do you rate 3 champions leagues in a row over 2 wins, a World Cup and a euros?

Or even Mourinho's Pep matching trophy haul also including a treble(inter).
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Flick Will achieve hasn't achieved yet. Club world cup wont be held and 2020 is over. So they didn't win sextuple in a calendar year.

3 champions league in a row is a very big achievement because of the consistency . Many great clubs haven't won yet or have won and gone years without winning another.

You don't rate pep that's fine. I am just saying why for many he won what he won. Best manager would be someone who gets maximum votes and not necessarily everyone will agree
 
I’d imagine if it was a coaching award, they’d be considering more than just trophies won. There’s a reason he’s spoken of as a coach so highly by his peers - he’s up there with a select few that have changed the way people generally think about football and tactics.
 
meltonblue said:
I’d imagine if it was a coaching award, they’d be considering more than just trophies won. There’s a reason he’s spoken of as a coach so highly by his peers - he’s up there with a select few that have changed the way people generally think about football and tactics.
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I can think of three key criteria:

1. number of (big) trophies
2. style, tactical innovations, influence
3. success with relatively limited resources

Pep is No 1 both in terms of trophies and in terms of style and tactical innovation. Zidane, Mourinho and Ferguson are comparable wrt the 1st criterion, but are not close wrt the 2nd criterion.

Wrt the 3rd criterion Ranieri's title with Leicester is hard to beat. It's out of this world. Klopp fares pretty well in that category too, for he didn't have huge resources at Dortmund and the best resources at Liverpool.

To work with a team full with stars is not easy though. Pep couldn't do what Ranieri achieved at Leicester, but Ranieri couldn't create Barca 09/11 and City 17/19 either.

Overall, Pep deserves the accolade :)
 
alexmcity said:
I can think of three key criteria:

1. number of (big) trophies
2. style, tactical innovations, influence
3. success with relatively limited resources

Pep is No 1 both in terms of trophies and in terms of style and tactical innovation. Zidane, Mourinho and Ferguson are comparable wrt the 1st criterion, but are not close wrt the 2nd criterion.

Wrt the 3rd criterion Ranieri's title with Leicester is hard to beat. It's out of this world. Klopp fares pretty well in that category too, for he didn't have huge resources at Dortmund and the best resources at Liverpool.

To work with a team full with stars is not easy though. Pep couldn't do what Ranieri achieved at Leicester, but Ranieri couldn't create Barca 09/11 and City 17/19 either.

Overall, Pep deserves the accolade :)
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Don’t usually agree with you on Pep but there’s a first time for everything ;)
 
alexmcity said:
Wrt the 3rd criterion Ranieri's title with Leicester is hard to beat. It's out of this world. Klopp fares pretty well in that category too, for he didn't have huge resources at Dortmund and the best resources at Liverpool.
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I agree with everything you said except Klopp part. But Klopp didn't have the best resources at Liverpool?!
I would also put in Mourinho's porto who won everything in 3rd criteria.
 
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