Pep Guardiola - 2024/25

JewelZee said:
Now I'm really worried as you are one of the most optimistic posters on here...I mean that as a compliment...
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haha am I now.. i perceive myself differently! Like others said, we could get relegated and i'd still want pep to extend. as long as he's interested, for me he's got a lifetime appointment as the manager of this club, my trust in him is unshakeable. I just think that as things stand, he's clearly hasn't figured it out and is still shellshocked and so I expect the slump to continue
 
GaudinoMotors said:
If sleepwalking is expecting him to abandon his ethos - then yes, wrong. Elite genii tend not to compromise.
The situation improves with players returning and new recruits.
This is Pep - going on about "primary job" doesn't apply in the way it might post Kendall period. We know what he can do with the correct tools in place.
Er, not taking into account other teams improving - been shouting and been shut down/derided on that for years. Complacency(and age) is the biggest destroyer of sporting dynasties. The club has let him down badly, granted, with his martyr type acceptance. I still think, however, that with the right players and Pep, we're still well ahead of others technically. The biggest difference is teams are a bit fitter and faster to combat us. Therefore our recruits need to be exceptional - nothing like the recent mediocrity.
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So you are essentially saying hes only as good as the players he has at his disposal?

Saying it'll improve when players return is also an assumption based on nothing, we've had de bruyne, dias, and more return during this run and its only gotten worse. There is also absolutely no guarantee new signings will improve this either, yes Its probably the highest likelihood of it improving right now because its clear pep isn't going to change from this dire suicidal system he's employing at the moment.

I'd also say the fact that Pep isn't prepared to compromise to get results right now is a clear example of complacency which contradicts your whole argument. Yes I agree the last 4 transfer windows have been absolutely shambolic and he's been let down in that respect but he still has the players to be able to achieve better results, it should never be getting anywhere near only taking 4 points in 8 games - less than bottom of the league Southampton.
 
Blue2202 said:
So you are essentially saying hes only as good as the players he has at his disposal?

Saying it'll improve when players return is also an assumption based on nothing, we've had de bruyne, dias, and more return during this run and its only gotten worse. There is also absolutely no guarantee new signings will improve this either, yes Its probably the highest likelihood of it improving right now because its clear pep isn't going to change from this dire suicidal system he's employing at the moment.

I'd also say the fact that Pep isn't prepared to compromise to get results right now is a clear example of complacency which contradicts your whole argument. Yes I agree the last 4 transfer windows have been absolutely shambolic and he's been let down in that respect but he still has the players to be able to achieve better results, it should never be getting anywhere near only taking 4 points in 8 games - less than bottom of the league Southampton.
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Yes.
Aa re Pep's complacency.
Apply it to other elite genii in sport.
Would they change/compromise or believe in themselves. That's what sets them apart. The others in the club stopped (for whatever reason) doing there jobs at as high a level. A real drop off.
 
GaudinoMotors said:
Yes.
Aa re Pep's complacency.
Apply it to other elite genii in sport.
Would they change/compromise or believe in themselves. That's what sets them apart. The others in the club stopped (for whatever reason) doing there jobs at as high a level. A real drop off.
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Mourinho, Wenger, and Ferguson are classic examples of stubbornness. They didn't change or compromise, their time just ran out.

Ferguson knew it, and stepped down. But he still wanted to be (and made sure he was) the major influence at his club, to it's detriment.

Wenger knew it, and walked away from Arsenal, leaving matters to his successor.

Mourinho never had the same level of power as Ferguson or Wenger at any of his clubs, but, like Pep, he has left an indelible mark of 'genius' on all of those he has been involved with.

Nothing lasts for ever. All great managers/coaches have a shelf life, but some realise and get off before they get too close to the edge of the shelf.

Pep knew when it was time to leave Barcelona and (after a break) went to Bayern. Throughout his three years there, he worked within a rigid structure that was not of his own making. As such, the opportunity to join City with almost absolute freedom to create an empire was one he couldn't turn down.

The City Board has 100% faith in Pep. There's no way they'll sack him. As such his future at City is entirely in the hands of Pep or the Grim Reaper.

When he does leave, I'd prefer him to do it like Wenger than Ferguson, and hope that he doesn't stay long enough to turn into crazy Mourinho or, heaven forbid, Malcolm Allison.
 
This really is like a repeat of Peps first season in charge

Goalkeeper - Uncertainty about Bravo
Fullback - Zabba, Clichy, Kolarov and Sagne all coming to the end
Defence - Kompany - injury prone although he had a renaissance
Midfield - Yaya at the the end and Nasri

The only difference was that we still had prime Silva, Aguero, Ferni , Sterling and a very promising Sane and Jesus by the end of the season.

The signings of Ederson, Walker, Bernardo, Silva and later Laporte transformed that team .......lets hope over the next 6 months or so we can bring similar quality back into the squad to add to Dias, Rodri, Foden and Haaland.
 
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