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[BillyShears]

Perhaps both Manuel and this group of players need to have these questions now posed of them to see how we progress as a club, with or without them.

I think Khaldoon entered the equation after CSKA home debacle, so in that sense I've no doubt that the requisite questions have been asked and everyone knows what is on the line and what Sheikh Mansour expects.

Although I fully understand why it can be levelled at us that this team has peaked, I don't actually believe it's true anymore than I believe that Mourinho's original Chelsea team peaked as soon as Terry/Lampard/Drogba hit 30. I think the key is motivation and the question which needs to be asked of at least three or four in our dressing room is, do they still have the motivation because the ability they sure do. Those who don't should be moved on asap.

That's probably the bigger challenge because there might be some painful medicine we have to take in moving certain players on.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Perhaps both Manuel and this group of players need to have these questions now posed of them to see how we progress as a club, with or without them.

I think Khaldoon entered the equation after CSKA home debacle, so in that sense I've no doubt that the requisite questions have been asked and everyone knows what is on the line and what Sheikh Mansour expects.

Although I fully understand why it can be levelled at us that this team has peaked, I don't actually believe it's true anymore than I believe that Mourinho's original Chelsea team peaked as soon as Terry/Lampard/Drogba hit 30. I think the key is motivation and the question which needs to be asked of at least three or four in our dressing room is, do they still have the motivation because the ability they sure do. Those who don't should be moved on asap.

That's probably the bigger challenge because there might be some painful medicine we have to take in moving certain players on.

Motivation is the key word.

It is only my opinion, and players can derive motivation from many character traits, but I don't feel inspired enough by Manuel.

It's a sweeping brushstroke, but I do think we would see markedly improved levels of performance from Toure, Fernandinho, Nasri, Zaba, if they were playing under a Pep or Mourinho?

The argument against this is the present manager has clearly got inside Aguero's head, to the point he is playing his best football in a City shirt to date.

Horses for courses. Comes down to the present balance of the squad for me. How many are game-raisers?, how many need an arm around them?, and how many just aren't good enough, regardless?

 

[mayo31]

Where is the professional pride as well.

Surely someone like Yaya must look at the players he playing against and think no way is he anywhere near as good as me and want to prove that. I not having a go at Yaya just using him as an example, it applies to any player.

Everytime we have played the rags in the last 4 years you can see that Vinny is adament that Rooney will not get anything.

 

[BillyShears]

Perhaps both Manuel and this group of players need to have these questions now posed of them to see how we progress as a club, with or without them.

I think Khaldoon entered the equation after CSKA home debacle, so in that sense I've no doubt that the requisite questions have been asked and everyone knows what is on the line and what Sheikh Mansour expects.

Although I fully understand why it can be levelled at us that this team has peaked, I don't actually believe it's true anymore than I believe that Mourinho's original Chelsea team peaked as soon as Terry/Lampard/Drogba hit 30. I think the key is motivation and the question which needs to be asked of at least three or four in our dressing room is, do they still have the motivation because the ability they sure do. Those who don't should be moved on asap.

That's probably the bigger challenge because there might be some painful medicine we have to take in moving certain players on.

Motivation is the key word.

It is only my opinion, and players can derive motivation from many character traits, but I don't feel inspired enough by Manuel.

It's a sweeping brushstroke, but I do think we would see markedly improved levels of performance from Toure, Fernandinho, Nasri, Zaba, if they were playing under a Pep or Mourinho?

The argument against this is the present manager has clearly got inside Aguero's head, to the point he is playing his best football in a City shirt to date.

Horses for courses. Comes down to the present balance of the squad for me. How many are game-raisers?, how many need an arm around them?, and how many just aren't good enough, regardless?

I think the reality is that Pep and Mourinho are the exception rather than the rule when it comes to football managers. And even those two have their failures in terms of players who just didn't or couldn't work under them. Our public perception of what inspires us is different to the reality behind the scenes. The problem is when the public narrative begins to seep into the privacy of the dressing room.

Again I just don't think we're there yet. Yes the sight of Pellegrini in the rain at QPR looking like he had seen a ghost was fodder for the tabloids and the supporters, but we don't know what he said to the players at full time. You can be sure of one thing though, he didn't pat them all on the back and say "well at least you tried". Manuel is a big guy and for all the nice guy narrative in the public domain, he is capable of being a ruthless **** behind the scenes.

As you rightly point out, he's getting the best out of Kun, and for me that alone is enough to ensure everyone involved should stop and think before writing him off as a manager. I think the game raisers or the ones who i believe have the talent but not the motivation can be counted on two fingers. Of the rest I think most of the ones I'd like to see replaced simply aren't good enough for that mythical 'next level'.

 

[Neville Kneville]

The idea that Mourinho's teams never take a dip in results & his players never lose form is pretty ridiculous tbh.

I remember the rags winning titles they shouldn't have, when he did exactly that.

He would never get Zabba, Yaya, or Fernandinho playing better than they did last season. He would never be able to guarantee they didn't lose form after a world cup.

And he has a whole shedload of players who have lost all form once signing for him, & needed to escape to save their careers, some of whom he paid fortunes for.


It's all getting very tabloid imo.

 

[hgblue]

Perhaps both Manuel and this group of players need to have these questions now posed of them to see how we progress as a club, with or without them.

I think Khaldoon entered the equation after CSKA home debacle, so in that sense I've no doubt that the requisite questions have been asked and everyone knows what is on the line and what Sheikh Mansour expects.

Although I fully understand why it can be levelled at us that this team has peaked, I don't actually believe it's true anymore than I believe that Mourinho's original Chelsea team peaked as soon as Terry/Lampard/Drogba hit 30. I think the key is motivation and the question which needs to be asked of at least three or four in our dressing room is, do they still have the motivation because the ability they sure do. Those who don't should be moved on asap.

That's probably the bigger challenge because there might be some painful medicine we have to take in moving certain players on.

Motivation is the key word.

It is only my opinion, and players can derive motivation from many character traits, but I don't feel inspired enough by Manuel.

It's a sweeping brushstroke, but I do think we would see markedly improved levels of performance from Toure, Fernandinho, Nasri, Zaba, if they were playing under a Pep or Mourinho?

The argument against this is the present manager has clearly got inside Aguero's head, to the point he is playing his best football in a City shirt to date.

Horses for courses. Comes down to the present balance of the squad for me. How many are game-raisers?, how many need an arm around them?, and how many just aren't good enough, regardless?

Absolutely motivation is the key. Take Mourinho at Chelsea and the two high profile casualties in Luiz and Mata. These two were by all accounts popular in the dressing room, and were certainly fans favourites, but Mourinho obviously identified them as mentally weak or not hard working enough. Their removal sent out an important message to the rest of the squad and demonstrates that you don't necessarily have to totally overhaul a squad to effect a change in mentality. Just a couple of well targeted high profile victims is usually enough.

 

[BillyShears]

I think Khaldoon entered the equation after CSKA home debacle, so in that sense I've no doubt that the requisite questions have been asked and everyone knows what is on the line and what Sheikh Mansour expects.

Although I fully understand why it can be levelled at us that this team has peaked, I don't actually believe it's true anymore than I believe that Mourinho's original Chelsea team peaked as soon as Terry/Lampard/Drogba hit 30. I think the key is motivation and the question which needs to be asked of at least three or four in our dressing room is, do they still have the motivation because the ability they sure do. Those who don't should be moved on asap.

That's probably the bigger challenge because there might be some painful medicine we have to take in moving certain players on.

Motivation is the key word.

It is only my opinion, and players can derive motivation from many character traits, but I don't feel inspired enough by Manuel.

It's a sweeping brushstroke, but I do think we would see markedly improved levels of performance from Toure, Fernandinho, Nasri, Zaba, if they were playing under a Pep or Mourinho?

The argument against this is the present manager has clearly got inside Aguero's head, to the point he is playing his best football in a City shirt to date.

Horses for courses. Comes down to the present balance of the squad for me. How many are game-raisers?, how many need an arm around them?, and how many just aren't good enough, regardless?

Absolutely motivation is the key. Take Mourinho at Chelsea and the two high profile casualties in Luiz and Mata. These two were by all accounts popular in the dressing room, and were certainly fans favourites, but Mourinho obviously identified them as mentally weak or not hard working enough. Their removal sent out an important message to the rest of the squad and demonstrates that you don't necessarily have to totally overhaul a squad to effect a change in mentality. Just a couple of well targeted high profile victims is usually enough.

I like Mourinho a lot but he isn't the barometer for football managers as far as I'm concerned. With regards Luiz and Matic, I suspect mentality played second fiddle to the fact that neither player is actually good enough for a team wanting to win the title in England.

 

[blueparrot]

I think Khaldoon entered the equation after CSKA home debacle, so in that sense I've no doubt that the requisite questions have been asked and everyone knows what is on the line and what Sheikh Mansour expects.

Although I fully understand why it can be levelled at us that this team has peaked, I don't actually believe it's true anymore than I believe that Mourinho's original Chelsea team peaked as soon as Terry/Lampard/Drogba hit 30. I think the key is motivation and the question which needs to be asked of at least three or four in our dressing room is, do they still have the motivation because the ability they sure do. Those who don't should be moved on asap.

That's probably the bigger challenge because there might be some painful medicine we have to take in moving certain players on.

Motivation is the key word.

It is only my opinion, and players can derive motivation from many character traits, but I don't feel inspired enough by Manuel.

It's a sweeping brushstroke, but I do think we would see markedly improved levels of performance from Toure, Fernandinho, Nasri, Zaba, if they were playing under a Pep or Mourinho?

The argument against this is the present manager has clearly got inside Aguero's head, to the point he is playing his best football in a City shirt to date.

Horses for courses. Comes down to the present balance of the squad for me. How many are game-raisers?, how many need an arm around them?, and how many just aren't good enough, regardless?

I think the reality is that Pep and Mourinho are the exception rather than the rule when it comes to football managers. And even those two have their failures in terms of players who just didn't or couldn't work under them. Our public perception of what inspires us is different to the reality behind the scenes. The problem is when the public narrative begins to seep into the privacy of the dressing room.

Again I just don't think we're there yet. Yes the sight of Pellegrini in the rain at QPR looking like he had seen a ghost was fodder for the tabloids and the supporters, but we don't know what he said to the players at full time. You can be sure of one thing though, he didn't pat them all on the back and say "well at least you tried". Manuel is a big guy and for all the nice guy narrative in the public domain, he is capable of being a ruthless c**t behind the scenes.

As you rightly point out, he's getting the best out of Kun, and for me that alone is enough to ensure everyone involved should stop and think before writing him off as a manager. I think the game raisers or the ones who i believe have the talent but not the motivation can be counted on two fingers. Of the rest I think most of the ones I'd like to see replaced simply aren't good enough for that mythical 'next level'.

Pep and Mourinho are the exception, there is no chance of Mourinho. If we think there is a good chance of Pep then barring a meltdown we should wait 18 months, better that and get Pep with us because he will come to England and we don't want to be playing against Pep and Mourinho teams.

 

[BigOscar]

The idea that Mourinho's teams never take a dip in results & his players never lose form is pretty ridiculous tbh.

I remember the rags winning titles they shouldn't have, when he did exactly that.

He would never get Zabba, Yaya, or Fernandinho playing better than they did last season. He would never be able to guarantee they didn't lose form after a world cup.

And he has a whole shedload of players who have lost all form once signing for him, & needed to escape to save their careers, some of whom he paid fortunes for.


It's all getting very tabloid imo.

Yup, Mourinho can only motivate people for a short space of time, he is pretty much the master of making a siege mentality, having one or two years of winning titles, but then it all completely going to shit after 2 years. We are currently in Mourinho's second season, which is always his best. He has never sustained his motivation beyond that, anywhere, his third season is invariably a complete disaster with all his creative players getting sick of being made into workhorses and demanding to leave.

To suggest he would be better for keeping winners motivated after a title win is pure nonsense, as that's pretty much what he continually fails to do.

 

[BillyShears]

Pep and Mourinho are the exception, there is no chance of Mourinho. If we think there is a good chance of Pep then barring a meltdown we should wait 18 months, better that and get Pep with us because he will come to England and we don't want to be playing against Pep and Mourinho teams.

Neither man is untouchable and I would prefer Jurgen Klopp over them both for many reasons.

 

[Jack74]

At least he would bring a Barca style of play

 

[aguero93:20]

The idea that Mourinho's teams never take a dip in results & his players never lose form is pretty ridiculous tbh.

I remember the rags winning titles they shouldn't have, when he did exactly that.

He would never get Zabba, Yaya, or Fernandinho playing better than they did last season. He would never be able to guarantee they didn't lose form after a world cup.

And he has a whole shedload of players who have lost all form once signing for him, & needed to escape to save their careers, some of whom he paid fortunes for.


It's all getting very tabloid imo.

Yup, Mourinho can only motivate people for a short space of time, he is pretty much the master of making a siege mentality, but then it all completely going to shit after 2 years. We are currently in Mourinho's second season, which is always his best. He has never sustained his motivation beyond that, anywhere, his third season is invariably a complete disaster with all his creative players getting sick of being made into workhorses and demanding to leave.

To suggest he would be better for keeping winners motivated after a title win is pure nonsense, as that's pretty much what he continually fails to do.

He won back to back titles at Porto, Chelsea and Inter, it's only Madrid he failed to do it with, so I would say the second part of your statement isn't that accurate. :)

However, he didn't have a major competitor at any of the 3 clubs, Benfica were at a low point, Scum were a very young side at the time and Juve had been relegated and were yet to re establish themselves. I also agree that he has it yet to prove that he can continually develop and evolve a team as Ferguson and Ancelloti have done, but other high intensity, low rotation managers such as Klopp, Guardiola and Brenda (plus plenty more) have also had this problem.

 

[OB1]

I think Khaldoon entered the equation after CSKA home debacle, so in that sense I've no doubt that the requisite questions have been asked and everyone knows what is on the line and what Sheikh Mansour expects.

Although I fully understand why it can be levelled at us that this team has peaked, I don't actually believe it's true anymore than I believe that Mourinho's original Chelsea team peaked as soon as Terry/Lampard/Drogba hit 30. I think the key is motivation and the question which needs to be asked of at least three or four in our dressing room is, do they still have the motivation because the ability they sure do. Those who don't should be moved on asap.

That's probably the bigger challenge because there might be some painful medicine we have to take in moving certain players on.

Motivation is the key word.

It is only my opinion, and players can derive motivation from many character traits, but I don't feel inspired enough by Manuel.

It's a sweeping brushstroke, but I do think we would see markedly improved levels of performance from Toure, Fernandinho, Nasri, Zaba, if they were playing under a Pep or Mourinho?

The argument against this is the present manager has clearly got inside Aguero's head, to the point he is playing his best football in a City shirt to date.

Horses for courses. Comes down to the present balance of the squad for me. How many are game-raisers?, how many need an arm around them?, and how many just aren't good enough, regardless?

Absolutely motivation is the key. Take Mourinho at Chelsea and the two high profile casualties in Luiz and Mata. These two were by all accounts popular in the dressing room, and were certainly fans favourites, but Mourinho obviously identified them as mentally weak or not hard working enough. Their removal sent out an important message to the rest of the squad and demonstrates that you don't necessarily have to totally overhaul a squad to effect a change in mentality. Just a couple of well targeted high profile victims is usually enough.

This may be moving away a bit from the subject of tread but the question of whether a manager like Pep of Mou would inspire the players just because of their stature is an interesting one.

My own view on motivation is that the manager of a top team should not have to concern himself overly with motivating players: the players recruited for a club like ours should largely be self-motivated. If the players need a Churchillian speech before each game, they are the wrong players and the best solution is probably to get rid of them; which may be what Mou was doing in your example. This is just my view on management of people, in any walk of life, but good people motivate themselves and a manager's job is to make sure that give them the support to achieve and that they do not demotivate them. Obviously that is an oversimplification and there is a place for providing leadership, part of which is to provide a vision to staff that they want to buy into, which, frankly, at MCFC should not be that difficult.

 

[Navas15]

is coming to city in two years time, that is all ! all done ! haters plaese avoid this thread. munich is a stop gap at the moment. i will take the accolades in 2 years!

Hope so mate!!

 

[CAPTAINKIPPAX]

If he does It'll be interesting to see if the achievements with us match the hype ! everyone fawns all over good old Pep like he's the second coming of the messiah - WE SHALL SEE !

 

[Bluewonder]

is coming to city in two years time, that is all ! all done ! haters plaese avoid this thread. munich is a stop gap at the moment. i will take the accolades in 2 years!

Hope so mate!!

I like the way Bayern Munich is merely a stop-gap before he joins the mighty Manchester City!

 

[BigOscar]

The idea that Mourinho's teams never take a dip in results & his players never lose form is pretty ridiculous tbh.

I remember the rags winning titles they shouldn't have, when he did exactly that.

He would never get Zabba, Yaya, or Fernandinho playing better than they did last season. He would never be able to guarantee they didn't lose form after a world cup.

And he has a whole shedload of players who have lost all form once signing for him, & needed to escape to save their careers, some of whom he paid fortunes for.


It's all getting very tabloid imo.

Yup, Mourinho can only motivate people for a short space of time, he is pretty much the master of making a siege mentality, but then it all completely going to shit after 2 years. We are currently in Mourinho's second season, which is always his best. He has never sustained his motivation beyond that, anywhere, his third season is invariably a complete disaster with all his creative players getting sick of being made into workhorses and demanding to leave.

To suggest he would be better for keeping winners motivated after a title win is pure nonsense, as that's pretty much what he continually fails to do.

He won back to back titles at Porto, Chelsea and Inter, it's only Madrid he failed to do it with, so I would say the second part of your statement isn't that accurate. :)

However, he didn't have a major competitor at any of the 3 clubs, Benfica were at a low point, Scum were a very young side at the time and Juve had been relegated and were yet to re establish themselves. I also agree that he has it yet to prove that he can continually develop and evolve a team as Ferguson and Ancelloti have done, but other high intensity, low rotation managers such as Klopp, Guardiola and Brenda (plus plenty more) have also had this problem.

He builds his team up to reach their peak in the second season, then it falls apart after that. If the league he is in is weak enough, then he wins the title in the first year as well as part of the building process, but he never manages to keep his team at the top of their game after that second season. He either bails or fails after that.

 

[dannybcity]

At least he would bring a Barca style of play

Don't care.

 

[I'm no cynic but...]

Our men at the top know him well enough, and that has a very strong bearing on where he stands when his Bayern contract expires. My only worry is that his two clubs are/were in already dominant positions when he landed those jobs, whereas if he came to us then he would likely need to do a re-building job to match, let alone dominate, at least four other clubs in our own league, and the pressures will be strong. We may need to recruit another name before then if Pellegrini lets things slip. Who, I don't know, but Simeone is the latest to be linked and his current players know how to scrap for their results, and perhaps he could be the next manager until Pep finally decides his time at Bayern is over.

 

[dannybcity]

Our men at the top know him well enough, and that has a very strong bearing on where he stands when his Bayern contract expires. My only worry is that his two clubs are/were in already dominant positions when he landed those jobs, whereas if he came to us then he would likely need to do a re-building job to match, let alone dominate, at least four other clubs in our own league, and the pressures will be strong. We may need to recruit another name before then if Pellegrini lets things slip. Who, I don't know, but Simeone is the latest to be linked and his current players know how to scrap for their results, and perhaps he could be the next manager until Pep finally decides his time at Bayern is over.

I'm by no means a frequent La Liga watcher but isn't Simeone tactically more of a 'build from the back' kind of manager? I'd be surprised if the powers that be appointed a defensively minded manager when Pellegrini was apparently appointed in order to get us playing a more attacking style of football.