Pep's contract situation | 2 year extension confirmed! (pg1817)

[GortonBlue62]

1. It's in the thread you're posting in.
2. It's common sense because City have planned for Pep for YEARS. He's part of a large scale transformation of the club and brand and he's the peg upon which it all hangs.



Oh, I was going off your post history and assuming that you would be quite sad to hear Pep Guardiola is staying even longer than his three year contract implied. My mistake.




That's not relevant because nobody gives two shits about your waist or hair. If you can't see why City and it's owners would care about Pep's pedigree and past accomplishments then I assume, naturally, you're being obtuse.



As do I.

It concerns me that we have fans who are only willing to give a manager half a season to turn around an aging squad that isn't even his.



So it didn't exist! Perfect! Emporers new clothes!



Nor wrong.



Are we?



Seems a number of people are taking optimism from the news our manager will extend his contract. Maybe you're just grumpy.



It was sang quite a lot before the game started and at the beginning of the first half.

But sure, keep on inventing masses of people who seem to agree with you about Pep and ignore the fact you're clearly in the minority here. It's hard to engage in any kind of constructive discussion with someone so unreasonable they are ready to condemn the manager as a fraud, ignoring his past accomplishments of course, based on half a season. You know why? Because it's fucking stupid.

My posting history is consistent and I stand by it.

My definition of a great manager is one who can take a group of players and produce a team that is greater than the sum of it's parts.

I prefer a manager who can deliver results to one with a philosophy and an idea that there is a right way to play football.

To repeat, for the umpteenth time, if Pep delivers, great (this is the ideal scenario), if he doesn't he has to go.

No one person is bigger than our club.

 

[BigOscar]

I too was thinking about this point yesterday. It's clear that Conte has done a great job at looking at what he was lacking and has used what he has accordingly. It's a huge difference from someone like Mourinho who would throw the toys out of the pram/publicly undermine the players and basically let everything fall apart in the name of proving his point.

A lot are criticising Pep for trying to implement a system where he doesn't have the personnel to actually make it work and citing Conte as an example of how it should be done. I do wonder though, is it possible Guardiola is looking at things more long term? If he wants to change how we play and believes that is the way forward for us, is it possible that he was always willing to sacrifice silverware this season in the name of implementing his philosophy? I'm not trying to blindly defend him here, as I think the jury's still out, but it kind of makes sense to me that someone might choose to put their playing style first if they see it as part of long term project that will reap benefits ahead. That said, if he is willing to make sacrifices this season, we may as well at least throw younger players in there who we hope might have a future at the club. i.e. i'd much rather see Aleix Garcia at least given a go in CM ahead of Zabaleta who we all know has no real future for us in that position and lacks the attributes we require from someone playing in that role.

The reality is that Conte also took over a side that was built to pretty much play the way he wanted anyway and had done so very effectively the year before last (where they downed tools because the Special Prick). They'd already really done their core rebuild, with Costa, Hazard, Willian, Matic, Azpilicueta etc, they only needed a few key pieces to make that a Conte team (David Luiz, Kante, bringing Moses in from the cold). Pep has inherited a squad that doesn't really fit any gameplan as it's so old and the core pieces aren't up to it anymore. I think it's a lot more comparable to when AVB took over Chelsea and had that old, no longer functioning spine of Cech/Terry/Lampard/Drogba that needed flushing out to let a new spine grow. We at least have a lot of potentially key pieces in place for the team to built around, but they need time to settle and grow into it. In the meantime we are still relying on the old guard, who time and again have proven they can't consistently be relied on anymore.

 

[mancityvstoke]

My posting history is consistent and I stand by it.

My definition of a great manager is one who can take a group of players and produce a team that is greater than the sum of it's parts.

I prefer a manager who can deliver results to one with a philosophy and an idea that there is a right way to play football.

To repeat, for the umpteenth time, if Pep delivers, great (this is the ideal scenario), if he doesn't he has to go.

No one person is bigger than our club.

How long will you give him?

 

[domalino]

Superb news. Reckon Txiki's going nowhere either. Maybe he'll get a head of recruitment.

Recruitment isn't really going to be a problem - Pep tells him who to get and he goes and gets them. He's done well navigating some tricky buys recently - De Bruyne was incredibly close to going to Paris for family reasons, and Txiki convinced him, and G. Jesus was being chased by everyone, but ended up here. Prying Sané away from Bayern wouldn't have been easy either, you only have to look at the 2 transfers Bayern announced yesterday to see how hard it is to get young German's away from them.

An area we could do with upgrading might be scouting, creating a list of players for Pep & co. to choose from.

Will he though? I think it's a case of try try try and hope it works.

Guardiola has shown he's more than ready to adapt in the time he's been here already, so I don't know how anyone can justify comments like this or "stubborn" comments.

 

[inbetween]

Thanks. Constructive.

A couple of points though.

It is not conveniently ignoring his past achievements. Its about here and now. I used to have hair and a 26 inch waist but that doesn't apply here and now. Its not relevant.

I don't have any agenda whatsoever just concern for our club.

The ten game run has long gone. Over 3 months ago. 9 wins in the 21 games since is not good enough even if it includes Barca, Arsenal.

The fact that it is a long term plan doesn't make it right. We are going backwards at an alarming rate and apart from the odd flash of brilliance, there is little to take much optimism from here and now.

The bore off comment is dismissive if you want constructive debate and probably best describes how I felt at Goodison yesterday when the only positive mention Guardiola got was the half hearted attempt at his song at kick off time. It used to blast round every ground and I was one of those singing it.

It is 3 months since that run but it is 6 months since Pep took charge. After the total calamity 2nd half of the season last year under Pellegrini should we be surprised how we are playing? Has he even had time to change us so much from that which was less than a year ago? He was only announced as manager this time last year, 6 months before the season even ended!

In a league that just got a lot more difficult why should we be so arrogant to expect to be doing better when virtually the only difference in the team to last time around is Stones? We have had 30+ games since he started, it is almost impossible for him to of stamped any real authority on the team.

I don't think we are going backwards but I definitely think moving us forwards has been far more difficult than he ever thought and his learning curve has been steep. Hopefully with this year not having a Euros or World Cup it will give him the time he needs to really build something and hone it.

Remember he had a preseason of less than a month with some players not even taking part because of the Euro's and since then it has been relentless.

Personally no matter what I won't judge him on this season, I will judge him on the next when he has had a chance to get his feet under the table and spend time working with the players.

 

[domalino]

The reality is that Conte also took over a side that was built to pretty much play the way he wanted anyway and had done so very effectively the year before last (where they downed tools because the Special Prick). They'd already really done their core rebuild, with Costa, Hazard, Willian, Matic, Azpilicueta etc, they only needed a few key pieces to make that a Conte team (David Luiz, Kante, bringing Moses in from the cold). Pep has inherited a squad that doesn't really fit any gameplan as it's so old and the core pieces aren't up to it anymore. I think it's a lot more comparable to when AVB took over Chelsea and had that old, no longer functioning spine of Cech/Terry/Lampard/Drogba that needed flushing out to let a new spine grow. We at least have a lot of potentially key pieces in place for the team to built around, but they need time to settle and grow into it. In the meantime we are still relying on the old guard, who time and again have proven they can't consistently be relied on anymore.

Conte is a great coach who's methods are simple, and easy to master. He has made Chelsea a very good team quickly, just like he did at Juventus.

The problem for him will be if he can do what he failed to do at juventus, and make that very good team a great one which can compete in Europe.

Pep's side will take longer to create, but when it arrives, it will be the best.

 

[geoff hammond]

It's from Tolmie so it's pretty reliable info that it's being discussed. Pep didn't talk to Bayern about an extension.

Pinch of salt for me.

Why only release this info now ?

 

[Akiva]

My posting history is consistent and I stand by it.

It sure is, consistently negative.

You complained in the Arsenal post-match thread about us underachieving.

You moaned in the Barcelona post-match thread about squad rotation

You have literally nothing good, nor positive, to post and make it your business to piss on everyone's parade. Here look, you're doing it again in this thread too!

My definition of a great manager is one who can take a group of players and produce a team that is greater than the sum of it's parts.

Your definition of a great manager is irrelevant.

I prefer a manager who can deliver results to one with a philosophy and an idea that there is a right way to play football.

Which kind of manager you prefer is irrelevant.

Pinch of salt for me.

Why only release this info now ?

It's not being "released", it's being leaked by Tolmie who is a proven ITK on this board. You can feel free to take it with a pinch of salt, indeed some here do appear to be quite salty over it, but he has legitimate sources in the club and is well placed to post something like this and for it to be factual. That's why it hasn't been taken down.

 

[Hungarian blue]

Huge if true.

 

[clive manchester]

Well I hope to goodness he's getting a nice pay rise to go with that. Fair's fair.