peoffrey said:de niro said:I would print on season cards that if found smoking you are banned for life so they know the score from day one.
As soon as a non-smoker is banned for life under your scheme then the system has completely failed.
Many people took exception to your comments and I wouldn't normally reply too, but I felt so strongly about what you wrote that I had to put my views in.
I couldn't agree more about smokers in the toilets being deeply selfish - but this isn't the way to deal with it.
AlthamBlue said:JoeMercer'sWay said:yeah, it's when there's 3 or 4 stewards and a bunch of smokers at the top of the spirals who are smoking between the concourse and the outside toilet in the spiral so you still have to walk through it.
the ground's non-smoking, even if you don't agree with the smoking ban it's there, so I just can't understand like with everything else you can't just stick to the law.
For me I think the fact it's City means people don't really take it seriously because they think they're safe there, so I think legal proceedings need to be brought on smokers caught so they fully understand that they are breaking the LAW, not just stadium rules.
JMW, it os not breaking the law smoking on the Spirals. It was posted on here a couple of months ago I think from 1 of the POB meetings. Against the law inside the ground, on the Spirals it is not against the law. It's something Manchester City Council advised on and City agreed.
Joe Mercer Way said:AlthamBlue said:JMW, it is not breaking the law smoking on the Spirals. It was posted on here a couple of months ago I think from 1 of the POB meetings. Against the law inside the ground, on the Spirals it is not against the law. It's something Manchester City Council advised on and City agreed.
well it's against club rules.
10. Smoking is not permitted in the City of Manchester Stadium and all areas of SportCity. This includes toilets, spiral stairwells, concourses, seats and all hospitality areas including atriums. Anyone who does smoke in the Stadium faces ejection and a possible ban.
de niro said:Joe Mercer Way said:well it's against club rules.
10. Smoking is not permitted in the City of Manchester Stadium and all areas of SportCity. This includes toilets, spiral stairwells, concourses, seats and all hospitality areas including atriums. Anyone who does smoke in the Stadium faces ejection and a possible ban.
that's not going to work though, the speed limit on the roads maybe 30mph, impossible to control fully and at times a stupid rule.
i can see no reason not to use the spirals to alleviate a big problem at city, it wont cut it out all together but it helps.
Skashion said:It's pretty simple. Smokers use one lot of toilets (110/111). Everyone else on Level 1 can use all other toilets.
kippaxkid74 said:I wrote to Peter Fletcher about 3 years ago after a cup game, the 2 men 2 rows behind me (the block was pretty empty) never stopped with their racial hatred. Never. Add sexism and some munich songs and they made me sick. But, as a shy person scared of comeback - and as a woman too, i was too scared to walk along my row to go tell a steward on the day, as the guys behind would have known it was me when the steward came back to them, and my worry was what if they don't then get moved, they could give me a ton of abuse.. or follow me out afterwards.. Cowardly maybe, but if you'd had bad peronsal experiences of an attack yourself you might have been afraid you react too.
But it was the least enjoyable city match of my life.
I took their seat numbers, and wrote to the club explaining what went on, and detailed what they said and everything, saying i hoipe the club can track them and ban them. The reply i got back astounded me. Basically i was being told by Peter Fletcher that i should have reported them on the day and that they will do nothing about it now, and he also told me that no one else complained and pretty much accused me of making it up, and went on again about how i (yes, me! not those guys but me!) let the club down by not reporting them on the day.
I was in tears with that email from him. So upset. I told him so too in a reply, and got even more stick back from him. His reply and comments became personal, which was very very wrong imo.
Myabe he was having a bad day, or 2. But to talk to a lifelong supporter like that, in such bullying negative tones, it was wrong. I had my reasons, and i was doing good (so i thought) writing afterwards to report them.
I was going to write to someone at city after that to complain about Fletcher, but i became ill afterwards and decided it would only make me stressed and probably wouldn't get me anywhere.
Long story i know, i just wanted to say good luck with getting problems stamped out.
(edit to add, before anyone accuses me of not being able to take "banter" - i can banter with the best of them! I love atmosphere, sing and chant the good stuff, but due to personal experience i'm not into confrontation with the nasty ones. And on that occasion i hoped someone else would have reported them on the day, and that my email would have been counted as a follow up.. unfortunately other people found monkey boy and ****** chants (amongst many other disgusting things) acceptable. I'm a lifelong blue, been season ticket for over 20 years now btw). Oh and i can swear with the best of them!)
blueinsa said:We can talk all day long about smoking and areas and life time bans but it doesn't address the problem at heart and that is over zealous stewarding and ejections and subsequent bans with a complete lack of recourse.
We need to organise ourselves with a designated spokesperson and fully put forward our arguments and suggestions as to how this can be avoided in the future and make it abundantly clear that if this situation of random and unfair ejections carries on, we will as a group of fans organise protests that will leave the club in no doubt as to how serious we are. Non violent at all times and as has been suggested, the bars and kiosks are the first thing to boycott. A pic of a florescent jacket was put on last night but think about a south stand with everyone wearing one as a visible protest and the impact it would have as the national press would be all over it. We have to hit the club where it hurts to begin with and that's financially.
We are all selfish bastards at heart and many will take the view, fuck em, it isn't me affected and i don't give a shit but the real story here is it could well be you next...then your brother or your dad etc.
If City can provide absolute proof of an offence then fine but the fact that Mr Fletcher just wont and spouts his only defence of "i believe my steward" says to me he is making it up as he goes along and is on very rocky ground should a legal challenge go in.
I have e-mailed Danny Wilson who i got to know on the South Africa trip and i have made him fully aware of this thread and the sheer bad feeling that this man and his attitude is causing and i have made him fully aware that this wont just blow over should the club decide to just try and ride it out. They need to act as the day will soon come when groups of lads in the South Stand wont sit by and watch people getting thrown out and the very real possibility of violence will rear its ugly head and that isn't being over dramatic. Mr Fletcher and City need to realise this isn't a them and us situation, we are as one, we are all City and this battle will soon turn into a war which nobody wants.
City are busy alienating a hell of a lot of fans here and we have to stand together and make sure it stops.
I don't smoke and never have btw.