PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

inbetween said:
Of course it goes beyond football. We are mostly owned by a member of the Abu Dhabi royal family. We have also come to be sponsored by companies supported by Abu Dhabi such as Etihad, Aldar, Etisalat etc. We aren't state owned no but we are certainly a related party. If we're found guilty of 'cheating' then how does that make Abu Dhabi look purely by association? These guys do not mess about with such accusations let alone actual findings.

I know the Middle Eastern airlines well and they operate exactly the same. They are world class and fantastic but one could easily argue against them on grounds of competition given not a single one of them has ever made a profit. How can an airline that must make a profit compete against one that doesn't care about profit and still puts out a better product? All they care about is having the best airline.

You'd be extremely naive to think that our owner is just willing to have his investments threatened by this and something that may potentially embarass him and Abu Dhabi. He will use every tool he can to ensure this goes his way whether that's through lawyers or political and even international pressure.

I'm not saying that we're guilty of anything by the way. You have to remember that this IS NOT a criminal process, there is no alleged criminality. All we've apparently done is broken rules that the Premer League dreamt up. This is what city will challenge and the guy with the most resources and friends always wins.

A second critical point for the league and any critics is that you'd also have to be EXTREMELY naive to think that the other clubs aren't exactly doing the same thing.
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Also remember that, as well as being City Chair, Khaldoon runs the main AD sovereign wealth fund which does lots of business with the UK. The politics is always a factor,
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
Also remember that, as well as being City Chair, Khaldoon runs the main AD sovereign wealth fund which does lots of business with the UK. The politics is always a factor,
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I think it would have been stopped before it got to this stage - especially in view of the damage to the club’s reputation - if the AF sovereign wealth fund had any influence
 
CC1 said:
I think you’ll find that not only does it NOT go beyond football - it doesn’t even go beyond the PL. If we’re cleared of all charges it’s because we’re innocent - NOT because we have an owner who is related to royalty. And I say that on purpose because we are NOT state owned.
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Try telling the media.
 
CC1 said:
I think it would have been stopped before it got to this stage - especially in view of the damage to the club’s reputation - if the AF sovereign wealth fund had any influence
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I don’t think the AD fund could influence the PL but Khaldoon is a major figure and I think this will help ensure we get a fair hearing from the panel. Whatever anyone says political and media pressure plays a part in legal battles. Look at the recent sentences for the rioters for starters. And that was a criminal case.
 
Brendan110_0 said:
I admire your naivety, personally I think we'll be found guilty of most charges with scant evidence just like UEFA's independent panel, it'll be buried under the red-top outrage to disassemble Manchester City and ten year bans.
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UEFA’s panel was corrupt. Read the CAS verdict on our interlocutory appeal.
This panel will not be corrupt and should reach a true verdict.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
I don’t think the AD fund could influence the PL but Khaldoon is a major figure and I think this will help ensure we get a fair hearing from the panel. Whatever anyone says political and media pressure plays a part in legal battles. Look at the recent sentences for the rioters for starters. And that was a criminal case.
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The government said jail em B4 they appeared in court.

Hey press studs the riots stopped.

How about a similar policy for knifecrime !!
 
Manchester_lalala said:
So we potentially may get relegated to the Vanarama because of £13m worth of revenue? What a load of shite, ay.
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The Premier league dont have the power to relegate us to the Vanarama league, they basically have two options.
1. To give us a points reduction sufficient to ensure relegation to the Championship.
2. To expel us from the PL completely in which case we would have to reapply to the Football League who would then decide on where we re enter.

If they were to go with the 2nd option it would blow apart football in England, they would never dare go down this route. Even the first option would see a shitstorm the likes of which they have never seen before and there would be a huge level of fall out across Football.
 
JASR said:
Only 6 years to take it up to United’s £40m+£35m ‘special’ single year allowances…
There’s ‘sportswashing’ then there’s united corruption at 500+% that level.
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I question why Chelsea had to sell themselves a hotel to get past PSR, it "seems" the Rags were given these allowances due to not being able to undertake a tour and meet obligations through Covid, surely Chelsea would have had the same argument, and they were also forced into a change of ownership by the Government rather than through the choice of the club. As such I would have thought they would be more entitled than the Rags to any "special allowance"
 
Chris in London said:
And the PLs case, based on the Der Spiegel emails and not much else that is in the public domain, is that they were all lying
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This is a key element for me, given the scale of the accusations being made against the club, if we were found guilty of the most serious charges then potentially people are going to jail.
 
KS55 said:
UEFA’s panel was corrupt. Read the CAS verdict on our interlocutory appeal.
This panel will not be corrupt and should reach a true verdict.
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Problem I see is the Premier leagues board brought the charges although there have been changes since 2021, they seem relatively independent to start with :gulp:

Alison Brittain CBE – Chair
Mai Fyfield – Independent Non-Executive Director
Dharmash Mistry – Independent Non-Executive Director
Matthew Ryder KC – Independent Non-Executive Director
Richard Masters – Chief Executive and Director

Statement of Corporate Governance Arrangements
The Board is committed to excellent governance standards, which are central to the effective running of the Premier League and the following information outlines its governance principles.

Since the League undertook a full governance review (completed in 2021) it has adopted the Wates Corporate Governance Principles for Large Private Companies (the "Wates Principles"). The Wates Principles are voluntary and provide a framework for the Board to monitor corporate governance of the League and determine where governance standards can be raised to a higher level across the business.

The Wates Principles support better engagement with stakeholders and helps to build trust with clubs, colleagues, partners and supporters. This governance framework also provides the right environment for the Board to continue to make high quality and resilient decisions for the long-term success of the Premier League. Since their adoption, regular updates tracking the League’s progress against the Wates Principles have been provided to the Board.
 
abu13 said:
This is a key element for me, given the scale of the accusations being made against the club, if we were found guilty of the most serious charges then potentially people are going to jail.
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United’s ceo would be implicated in it if jail time is happening. Would they not be doing due diligence on hiring for a key position?
 
feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
United’s ceo would be implicated in it if jail time is happening. Would they not be doing due diligence on hiring for a key position?
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To be fair to the Rags they have an excellent record of keeping their employees out of jail, plenty of experience at it allegedly.
 
inbetween said:
Yeah it's not true anymore but it was for a very long time when they first started up, all of their losses were absorbed by the state, others would have gone bankrupt.
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British Airways was run at a loss for a good few years and the losses absorbed by the State. I think it was the same with Air Italia and a few others also.
 
Andy gray said hes been told were going to get a points deduction that would make it impossible to survive relegation
 
Brendan110_0 said:
Problem I see is the Premier leagues board brought the charges although there have been changes since 2021, they seem relatively independent to start with :gulp:

Alison Brittain CBE – Chair
Mai Fyfield – Independent Non-Executive Director
Dharmash Mistry – Independent Non-Executive Director
Matthew Ryder KC – Independent Non-Executive Director
Richard Masters – Chief Executive and Director

Statement of Corporate Governance Arrangements
The Board is committed to excellent governance standards, which are central to the effective running of the Premier League and the following information outlines its governance principles.

Since the League undertook a full governance review (completed in 2021) it has adopted the Wates Corporate Governance Principles for Large Private Companies (the "Wates Principles"). The Wates Principles are voluntary and provide a framework for the Board to monitor corporate governance of the League and determine where governance standards can be raised to a higher level across the business.

The Wates Principles support better engagement with stakeholders and helps to build trust with clubs, colleagues, partners and supporters. This governance framework also provides the right environment for the Board to continue to make high quality and resilient decisions for the long-term success of the Premier League. Since their adoption, regular updates tracking the League’s progress against the Wates Principles have been provided to the Board.
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Its quite hilarious that you state that i am naive in my supposition that the ic has to come up with ironclad evidence to support their evidence and then state that the pl board is independent.

Lets start with masters who was third choice that was only appointed after being interviewed by the rags and dippers and who was told by a government enquiry that he was out of his depth.

Dharmash mistry who is an arsenal st holder.

There is nothing independent about the pl and never has been and if you think there is ask yourself why the rags covid exceptions were approved without exception and then no more mentioned, also why 4 years into var are 2 clubs STILL allowed to operate without screens in the ground.
 
Do we know if other clubs tried to get more Covid losses if for example clubs had applied for 10s of millions of losses and only got 1 or 2 million and United got there massive losses then it looks worse than if clubs got what they applied for and United applied for more and got it
 
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